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post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by SpacemanSpliff View Post

How is it remotely relevant citing a benchmark with your emphasis being placed on the 4770K and A10-5700 as your source when neither of those CPUs are mentioned by the OP? I get it that you're looking for the closest comparison possible, but don't chastise another user for citing an irrelevant source and then doing so yourself. And before you go fanboy on me, I had AMD for a long long time before switching recently... Trust me when I say you will notice a difference. In BF4 and other gaming evolved titles it might not be as much, but even at stock clocks the Haswell i5s are pretty beasty little CPUs... mine performs better across the board at stock clocks than my old FX-8120 did at 4.0 / 4.2 GHz.

If the OP wants to do that upgrade, it's his choice. And honestly, instead of shelling out the money for an R9 290, if any can be found in stock for more than a single day, consider going with a 780 instead. Even though the 290 would edge it at stock clocks, the 780 will have a lot more OC headspace to even that out, while drawing less power and running cooler.

How is Passmark relevant to BF4 question the OP had? How is a BF4 CPU chart not relevant within this discussion? Just answer these two questions before you chastise me.

I did say it was his choice, you quoted my very post that I said it.
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by Slink3Slyde View Post

'Testing Methodology

We tested the single player portion of the game to ensure consistent results -- something we simply can't do with others. We'd need a bunch players to participate in simulating a multiplayer environment for the benchmark and they'd all have to perform the same exact actions hundreds of times. We could have tested a multiplayer map by ourselves, but that would have likely been less demanding than single player.

We settled on the start of the fourth mission (titled "Singapore") which begins on the US vessel Valkyrie as the team walks to an inflatable rib where they have a brief discussion and then jump in before being lowered down. Although the test takes place in the Valkyrie's launch bay, the scene seems to use a lot of GPU and CPU power. There is heavy use of DoF (Depth of Field) here so perhaps that is what taxes the GPU'.

Edit: The above quote from the Techspot site you took the benchmark from.

Doesn't multiplayer tax the CPU much more then single player IIRC? the testing methodology from your review is single player. I agree Passmark is a terrible benchmark for measuring actual CPU performance in real life but I think usage on the GPU being limited to 70% is probably a sign of the CPU holding back the GPU somewhat, wouldn't you say?

*Cough*
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by Slink3Slyde View Post

*Cough*

I understand your point, but I've always considered a low end cpu + high end GPU to be better than a high end cpu + low end gpu.

Im not being sarcastic or snide, but if you have some type of review showing more gains from a cpu upgrade than a gpu upgrade I like to see it.
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by flyin15sec View Post

How is Passmark relevant to BF4 question the OP had? How is a BF4 CPU chart not relevant within this discussion? Just answer these two questions before you chastise me.

I did say it was his choice, you quoted my very post that I said it.

The passmark is relevant, but ONLY in the sense it gives you a perspective into what the clock to clock difference in performance potential to be gained with the CPU upgrade.

The BF4 graph image you linked in with that post should be held as irrelevant because you not only failed to give a source link for the article it came from, but also that it only shows a figure representing what the performance is with DirectX 11 and HBAO turned on is. Most people don't even use HBAO, let alone know that it's a specific form of ambient occlusion, not to mention that we don't even know what their established baseline can translate to since we don't know what their test configurations were without a source link. We are after all talking about at least 5 different motherboards and chipsets being involved though since there are LGA 2011, LGA 1150, LGA 1155, AM3+, and FM2 processors on their listing.

I do concede that I didnt notice your agreeing that it is the OP's choice until I had already gone to work and checked the email updates on my break, so yes we certainly agree there. I do offer my two cents in favor of the upgrade, even if it's only about 2 tiers up from what he has simply because despite what Tom's hardware and others will say, I saw a very noticeable difference even upgrading from and decently overclocked FX-8120 to a stock clocked 4670K... but I will say that with the caveat of wait to do it until you can save enough money to upgrade the GPU as well. Even the jump to a 280X or a 770 along with the new CPU/MB will make that much more of a noticeable difference.

And for reference, after selling my first 7950, there were about 3 weeks I made due with a single. In Cinebench 11.5 the 7950 (52.5 avg 8120 @ 4.2, 58.75 avg 4670K stock w/o turbo enabled) to 780 (73.25 avg with the 4670k stock clock w/o turbo) made the difference of ~15 FPS on the Open GL test with the 4670K. I actually got and average of about 6.5-7 fps less with the OC 8120 compared to the stock 4670K. The CPU scores were almost identical from the 4.2 8120 to stock 4670K, but with plenty of OC space available I'm sure a comparable OC on the 4670K will change that. In 3DMark's FireStrike, I saw a jump from ~6060 with the stock 4670K/ stock 7950 to ~8080 with the stock 4670K/ stock 780.

I'll come back and edit this in the morning when I'm more sober and post benchmark results from my own experiences as I dig them up. Cheap boneless wing night at BW3s almost always involves a few shots and beers, lol.
post #15 of 19
Just adding my personal expierience here, without prove without any proven points.

I have an i7 4770k, yes, not the i5, and due to me building my custom case right now I´m using an X4 atm.

You can´t even put in words how great the difference is.

Might be the i7 and that it´s not that big with the i5, though

Using the same gpu and amount of ram btw
Edited by acanom - 3/7/14 at 2:00am
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by flyin15sec View Post

I understand your point, but I've always considered a low end cpu + high end GPU to be better than a high end cpu + low end gpu.

Im not being sarcastic or snide, but if you have some type of review showing more gains from a cpu upgrade than a gpu upgrade I like to see it.

Imo it's the opposite. Usually with a GPU bottleneck your max fps will be lower, with a CPU bottleneck your min fps is usually lower. And games usually play a lot less smooth if the CPU is bottlenecking.

I think upgrading to the i5 will be a massive improvement.
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post #17 of 19
Upgrading either way will help you, but I think you'd benefit more with a 290x than you would with a 4670K. While all games benefit from both more CPU power and more GPU power, we're at a point now where the GPU is more important, within reason. If you were gaming on a Sempron 135, you could be running Titan Black SLI and it wouldn't make a difference. But an Athlon 760K can do the job.
     
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post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by flyin15sec View Post

I understand your point, but I've always considered a low end cpu + high end GPU to be better than a high end cpu + low end gpu.

Im not being sarcastic or snide, but if you have some type of review showing more gains from a cpu upgrade than a gpu upgrade I like to see it.

Of course in most situations you are right, but in this case the OP is specifically talking about multiplayer in one particular game, where he has stated his GPU is stuck at 70% usage. Now I'm not going to pretend I'm the Oracle here but to me that suggests a CPU bottleneck during Battlefield 4 multiplayer, and the benchmark you posted is irrelevant to the OP as it is single player only.

@ OP : One thing no one has mentioned here surprisingly is Mantle, haven't kept up on the news because I don't have an AMD card at the moment, but I think they will have support for the 270x soon, if not already? Might be worth a wait to see before splashing out IF its only for Battlefield 4. If its for other games as well, then the I5 is definitely a worthwhile upgrade IMO over a better GPU which will still be held back in multiplayer to around the same FPS. The choice of course, is yours. thumb.gif
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