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How much you want to bet it will be implemented like DX10?

If they are actually doing the rumored changes...I would about guaranty it would have to be. they are talking like they are adding Mantle like capabilities and Mantle has to be hardware specific as well. I am sure DX10 could have been launched on XP if they wanted to, but they would not have gotten around the need for new GPUs to implement the changes. It is seeming like these APIs care more about the hardware than the OS...to an extent at least. I know back in the day there were modders that made DX10 libraries for XP and managed to get most of the features working...though I never personally tried it out, I know there were some aspects of DX10 that just couldn't happen on XP

Guessing off the Start Menu icon-ish looking page...I am betting it will be only for Win9 and DX12 compatible GPUs...possibly for Win 8.1 as well, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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That was quick.

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Don't forget Gank!

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Well definitely wait until March 20th, but it's entirely possible that DX12 wont require additional hardware. It could just be a restructuring of existing features, and additional software support.

Your optimism is a beacon to us all but realistically if your on the Nvidia side you don't even have full compliance with DX 11.2 (They have some of the features but not all and not enough to be compliant). New hardware being required is very likely also if this was just a restructuring as you say then it would be a small version bump e.g. 11.3 not a full jump to DX 12
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lol I think Nvidia is going to use Volta to make it DX12. Nvidia has always been slow on adapting new DX features. Volta is like 2 generation away. GTX1000 series. Maxwell isnt going to support DX12, it doesnt even support 11.2 lol

AMD could make it support as early as Pirate island(since pirate island isnt release yet) or they push it to R9-490x

Either way i figure DX12 is going to take 2 generation for Nvidia to release or 1-2 generation from AMD.
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lol I think Nvidia is going to use Volta to make it DX12. Nvidia has always been slow on adapting new DX features. Volta is like 2 generation away. GTX1000 series. Maxwell isnt going to support DX12, it doesnt even support 11.2 lol

AMD could make it support as early as Pirate island(since pirate island isnt release yet) or they push it to R9-490x

Either way i figure DX12 is going to take 2 generation for Nvidia to release or 1-2 generation from AMD.

If we assume pirate islands GPUs are going to release in 2014 or early 2015 then they have already been taped out (or at the very least are really close to being taped out). And at that point you don't go back to the drawing board to make hardware changes.

The problem here is that we don't know if DX12 needs new hardware and if it does we don't know when MS approached AMD, Intel and Nvidia with the requirements.
 
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I don't know if this is good news - from the competition perspective, or bad news -from the slow uptake of games (game developers) on a new DX platform?

I remember getting all hyped and purchasing new hardware for DX11, only to be disappointed that so many titles were released with only DX9 support.

I can only hope that DX12 is better in that regard.
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If we assume pirate islands GPUs are going to release in 2014 or early 2015 then they have already been taped out (or at the very least are really close to being taped out). And at that point you don't go back to the drawing board to make hardware changes.

The problem here is that we don't know if DX12 needs new hardware and if it does we don't know when MS approached AMD, Intel and Nvidia with the requirements.
usually the new features for DirectX12 has been discussed b4 this GDC announcement. So it is highly likely AMD know what features are going to DX12. They might able to add in b4 they finalize pirate island.

Again Nvidia has always been slow on new DirectX support. If DX12 have hardware requirements changes, it will only be on Nvidia's volta GPU at earliest. Unless Nvidia decide to make significant changes on Maxwell refresh = GTX900.
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usually the new features for DirectX12 has been discussed b4 this GDC announcement. So it is highly likely AMD know what features are going to DX12. They might able to add in b4 they finalize pirate island.

Again Nvidia has always been slow on new DirectX support. If DX12 have hardware requirements changes, it will only be on Nvidia's volta GPU at earliest. Unless Nvidia decide to make significant changes on Maxwell refresh = GTX900.

AMD had dx 9 first
Nvidia had dx 10 first
AMD had dx 11 first (though performance was really terrible on the HD5000s when it came to tess.)

However the most important thing is that the first GPUs from both camps to support a new DirectX were always competitors. Whether it's AMD or Nvidia that gets a new DX first usually just depends on which company is having issues or launching later in general etc. During DX9 and DX11 launches Nvidia was having issues, with DX10 AMD was having issues. However both brought out support for the new APIs in the same GPU generation.

Anyway, I hope that new hardware wont be needed:
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The first DX11 games did not use all the features of DX11. Some features of DX12 could be implemented in DX11, like removing limits to draw calls that Nvidia need for Project Denver. A bit strange timing just before Nvidia mobile GPU's?

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