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I wouldnt trust power consumption numbers from amauters neither oc numbers(just look all the titan oc attempts with stock bios.In general i dont trust the results from any major review site

You basically don't trust any review that doesn't paint AMD in the best light possible regardless of whether the benchmarks warrant it or not. That is quite ridiculous. Guru3d has been around forever and whether you admit it or not they are credible reviewers and know what they're doing. Give me a break please, this conspiracy theory stuff seems to be a recurring theme among many in the red crowd for some reason or other.
Edited by xoleras - 3/6/14 at 6:28pm
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780 Ti beats the 290x in single card, but still gets rocked in most multi-card setups wink.gif.
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You basically don't trust any review that doesn't paint AMD in the best light possible regardless of whether the benchmarks warrant it or not. That is quite ridiculous. Guru3d has been around forever and whether you admit it or not they are credible reviewers and know what they're doing. Give me a break please, this conspiracy theory stuff seems to be a recurring theme among many in the red crowd for some reason or other.
Actually I made a point in another thread that I feel I can make here too. If you complained about a driver or the clocks that were used on an Nvidia card in the last few reviews and well we all know who did then you don't get the right to complain when someone else does the same on the other side. I stand by my claim all reviews basically suck for us because we always get far better results.
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I wont even get into this throttle argument again lol.
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I dunno. We haven't seen mGPU benchmarks with the latest drivers as of yet. You could be right, but all 4k mGPU tests i've seen were using the bugged 333 WHQL. Have you seen any 4k mGPU tests with the 334WHQL? Like I said, you could be right, but being that 4k is considered a surround resolution (stitched 1920's doubled up) i'm not sure it's conclusive until the newer WHQL is tested.

I'm still curious as to why 4k with Mantle hasn't been tested anywhere. Has any website done this?
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Actually I made a point in another thread that I feel I can make here too. If you complained about a driver or the clocks that were used on an Nvidia card in the last few reviews and well we all know who did then you don't get the right to complain when someone else does the same on the other side. I stand by my claim all reviews basically suck for us because we always get far better results.

Do you really feel guru3d is doing anything underhanded? Honest question. I just don't see it. They've been around forever. Now, if a review site intentionally screwed with boost settings by disabling it, or tried to paint a reference 290X in a bad light by using only quiet mode, I may not always agree but anyone arguing underhanded-ness would have a point. HOWEVER. I simply don't see it at guru3d. Do you? Just curious. Honest question. They did not do anything to manipulate either side, ever, and they've always been fair to both sides with no bias as far as I can tell. They give awards to both brands. I just don't see anything underhanded there, like I said, they tested the latest drivers for NV which fixed the 4k performance bug. That's my only point.

Do not get me wrong. That isn't a knock against the 290X. Clearly it's an awesome card for 4k and very close to the NV offerings. I haven't seen 4k @ Mantle though, which i'm still curious about. I'm guessing that 4k is still considered "exotic" and costly hence why it hasn't been tested in BF4 Mantle thus far. I dunno.
Edited by xoleras - 3/6/14 at 6:41pm
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I'm still curious as to why 4k with Mantle hasn't been tested anywhere. Has any website done this?

Wasn't 14.1 bugged for Crossfire/multimonitor? Might not have been enough time for any testing yet.
Edited by Forceman - 3/6/14 at 7:06pm
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Wasn't 14.1 bugged for Crossfire/multimonitor? Might not have been enough time for any testing yet.

Good point. 4k is considered a surround resolution in its current MST implementation, so that's probably why.
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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

Do you really feel guru3d is doing anything underhanded? Honest question. I just don't see it. They've been around forever. Now, if a review site intentionally screwed with boost settings by disabling it, or tried to paint a reference 290X in a bad light by using only quiet mode, I may not always agree but anyone arguing underhanded-ness would have a point. HOWEVER. I simply don't see it at guru3d. Do you? Just curious. Honest question. They did not do anything to manipulate either side, ever, and they've always been fair to both sides with no bias as far as I can tell. They give awards to both brands. I just don't see anything underhanded there, like I said, they tested the latest drivers for NV which fixed the 4k performance bug. That's my only point.

Do not get me wrong. That isn't a knock against the 290X. Clearly it's an awesome card for 4k and very close to the NV offerings. I haven't seen 4k @ Mantle though, which i'm still curious about. I'm guessing that 4k is still considered "exotic" and costly hence why it hasn't been tested in BF4 Mantle thus far. I dunno.
I'm not insinuating underhandedness but rather I don't understand the need of some to hang their hat on the results. I get better results 9 out of 10 times with my 7770x2 than a 7970 in the reviews. We know the 7970 would outright stomp my arse.
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Uh, the 290X even with substantial overclocks is losing to the reference 780ti at 4k resolution with the most up to date drivers:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_r9_290x_lightning_review,28.html

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_r9_290x_lightning_review,29.html


The 290X MSI lightning is losing to the reference GTX 780ti in 5 out 7 tests at 4k. AMD wins Hitman absolution and BF4, loses everything else. That's the reference 780ti.

Now AMD is performing very well, do not get me wrong. IT is a very strong card for 4k, no question about it. Yet, there are like 3 people running 4k, so there's that.Also, this test doesn't have a custom 780ti - a custom OC'ed 780ti would obviously do that much better. But the statement that the 290X is outright better at 4k, no, that really isn't the case as guru3d shows here. They are fairly close though - They're both pretty close enough to where they both provide a good experience. Can't really go wrong with either card, but US/CDN prices for factory OC'ed 290X cards are not desirable right now. You could of course get a ref 290X, but I don't think that's such a good idea unless someone is going for a custom water loop.

edit: just found an Asus DC II 780ti also tested just today at 4k resolution:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_directcu_geforce_gtx_780_ti_oc_review,17.html

Like I said, both cards are close. Both are a good experience. You cannot go wrong with either card, they're both outstanding for 4k. Yet,the statement that the 290X wins at 4k? Incorrect. The latter review here has 7/7 wins for the 780ti at 4k res.
Crossfire scaling vs SLI scaling completely ditches that something you would want for 4K UHD in most titles even if you leave AA alone.
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