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Lower end machines seem to benefit more from Mantle. But this is OCN, so lots of high-end hardware used by lots of people in the community.

Basically what im trying to get here is; the performance is great for lower end; but not as "good" as people expected on the flagship cards. Would i love to see 30% gains on an AMD card? Heck yes i would. That would only mean it will push competition and force NVidia to pull something out of its rear end to compete with it.

I wish AMD had some good gains on Mantle, then we'd probably start to see more gain on NVidia side. Unfortunately NVidia is busy milking the market and only releasing hardware "enough" to compete with AMD.

If you see the dual gpu results (frametimes as well) you'll see mantle does deliver impressive performance, and it is high end hardware area.
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However single GPU at ultra settings is more relevant to the majority than CFX/SLI. I might have picked the lower end GPU chart instead of the 290X/780Ti one if [H] had included one with ultra settings instead of low settings.

Either way, the performance gains are about equal at around 11.5% in either scenario which is worth noting. However, I would agree that CF scaling better than SLI is a topic for a different discussion.
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Part 1 so I assume more is coming soon.

It was explained in the conclusion, they will eventual examine the full AMD lineup once the issues with low end cards are resolved:
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It is unfortunate we were not able to bring you a full look at AMD's lineup in this evaluation as we original intended. It seems there are application issues with Mantle and AMD's 270X and 260X causing basically, broken performance. For those with these cards, we suggest running in D3D11 until EA releases the patch that will fix those issues.

We had to change our format today and bring you part 1 of our evaluation, focusing on the high-end cards that did work without issue. Unfortunately that does not give us the complete picture we were hoping to have about Mantle at this point.

The primary question we had on our minds when going into this evaluation was what price range of video cards does Mantle benefit the most? Would people with low-end, less expensive video cards benefit more from Mantle, or would users of high-end GPUs and CrossFire benefit more with Mantle?

When the issues are fixed, we will test the low-end cards, make the comparisons, and bring you this information. Until then, we cannot come to a final summary about Mantlet. However, we do have many opinions about it so far.

Edited by Slomo4shO - 3/6/14 at 6:42am
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Considering the users in this thread, that would be a terrible idea. There are some REALLY Bull-headed people in this thread in regards to their brand loyalty to companies who give less than two jacks about them other than their money. It is really stupid that it even happens to begin with.
I love how everyone is taking it to extremes. Brand loyalty has nothing to do with user experience questions. On more than one occasion I have been accused of such, but fact is I have only given my 8350 experience. Never spoken on performance of 4770 or any Intel to the point of telling them the FX is better. I advise if you want Intel experience ask a user not me. I don't have the right to give Intel experience because I don't hate one. But many here don't have qualms demeaning AMD when they don't own one. That is not who you should ask and the intention I intended.
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Lets start with marketing. If you have a range of 5-35%, which do you release as a statement for gains? Do you really think people will flock to 5% more than 35%? And as said, the words UP TO are very important in the release statement, yet seems the naysayers love to leave that part out.

On the note of choice for the graphs posted this was the argument: Why put the single GPU graphs up rather than the SLI/CF graphs? It was garnered the reason was because the SLI was not nearly as formidable as CF Mantle than it was in single card use. Being the Ops apparent fondness to the blue/green side it was a given to why the single card graph was used.

But really the take away here is that Mantle works and even though they kind of skewed the argument with a 4.6Ghz Intel. I would have liked to see how they would have faired using the same chip at 3.0Ghz or maybe have a few different chips including a FX 8350 and A10-7850K.

A10 or even the 8300 being tested with muti-highend gpus might not be a good idea. i've seen a member with an 8300 and crossfired 290s and happy with mantle. but that is just with BF4.

i am still an advocate of a well balanced system. spend so much for gpu(s), then might as well get a cpu that can drive them without problems. with or without mantle.
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I'm more concerned on why AMDs d3d performance is worse now than on BF4's launch
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not sure how the performance is worse than the launch, I couldnt even play the game, now the new beta driver my cards run great and incredibly smooth, mantle is still giving me issues regardless how I set my settings
 
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I'm more concerned on why AMDs d3d performance is worse now than on BF4's launch
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not sure how the performance is worse than the launch, I couldnt even play the game, now the new beta driver my cards run great and incredibly smooth, mantle is still giving me issues regardless how I set my settings
I'm just going by what hardocp stated
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I love how everyone is taking it to extremes. Brand loyalty has nothing to do with user experience questions. On more than one occasion I have been accused of such, but fact is I have only given my 8350 experience. Never spoken on performance of 4770 or any Intel to the point of telling them the FX is better. I advise if you want Intel experience ask a user not me. I don't have the right to give Intel experience because I don't hate one. But many here don't have qualms demeaning AMD when they don't own one. That is not who you should ask and the intention I intended.

 

I'll be blunt. There is a difference between a user sharing their experience, and blind loyalty to a company where they'll defend that company to kingdom come. Your posts would be a good example of the latter, with a little bit of user experience thrown in. However, there are even worse users on this forum that skip the former, and head straight towards the latter. And that is why it would be an utterly terrible idea to have an openly edited OP.

 

But in reality, there should never be the latter. As it is just inane to have such loyalism to a company whose sole purpose is just to gain money. They really don't care about you whatsoever (unless you are giving them your money).

 

I might be overstepping the TOS saying this, but hypocritical statements utterly tick me off. Data is data. If you don't like it, get over it.

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I'll be blunt. There is a difference between a user sharing their experience, and blind loyalty to a company where they'll defend that company to kingdom come. Your posts would be a good example of the latter, with a little bit of user experience thrown in. However, there are even worse users on this forum that skip the former, and head straight towards the latter. And that is why it would be an utterly terrible idea to have an openly edited OP.

But in reality, there should never be the latter. As it is just inane to have such loyalism to a company whose sole purpose is just to gain money. They really don't care about you whatsoever (unless you are giving them your money).

I might be overstepping the TOS saying this, but hypocritical statements utterly tick me off. Data is data. If you don't like it, get over it.
prove where I lied or skewed anything about my experience in defense. You can't. And like too many here, when you can't disprove ones positive experience you lable them a fanboi as if to discredit anything they said. Like I stated unless you have a FX 8350 you have no credibility to assert.
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The link to the article is right there so people can go and check it out.

However single GPU at ultra settings is more relevant to the majority than CFX/SLI. I might have picked the lower end GPU chart instead of the 290X/780Ti one if [H] had included one with ultra settings instead of low settings.
LOL at the selective image picking the main thing that is relevant here is the maximum frametimes and therefore minimum framerate espeically in multiplayer.
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How are they not both valid for showing what Mantle can do?

Don't you think it would be nicer to see 4X MSAA for the single gpu? rolleyes.gif
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