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To be clear, I like the direction Mantle is taking with CPU limited scenarios. That's fine. This needs to happen in both DX12 AND Mantle and I am happy that AMD has done this. However, suggesting that we should test CPUs from 2007 to make mantle shine is stupid and blows my mind. If you can afford a 700$ CPU, then you can afford a 200$ 4670K, period.

It's like some AMD fans want to show Mantle in the best light by using scenarios that are completely stupid and unrealistic. That's the gist of my argument here - Mantle doesn't cover 100% of games, it covers .00001% of games, so it isn't reasonable to suggest that everyone sticks to a 50$ CPU just to use Mantle. Anyway, Just be content with the 10% performance gain that the high end is getting. That is certainly NOTHING AT ALL to scoff at, it's 10% free performance. My only argument is those trying to suggest artificial tests just to inflate Mantle's scores - by lowering IQ settings and using crap CPUs. That's pretty silly.

well you can look no further than the benches I posted last page for a bench that doesnt candy coat it and uses real world hardware, those are from a i7 4930k at 4.4ghz with 3x 290x's. Ran them in 1440p and 1080p with mantle and 1440p with dx 11. mantle is fairly smooth for the most part except random spikes which occur from about 40k frames onward and happen every 5-10 minutes. DX11 on the other hand is nowhere near as smooth, but doesn't have the weird spike every 5-10 minutes.
Edited by the9quad - 3/6/14 at 11:22am
post #92 of 149
You can get a 290x for 100$ cheaper..why would anyone get the 780 at this point...it's simply not worth it
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You can get a 290x for 100$ cheaper..why would anyone get the 780 at this point...it's simply not worth it

 

I hope that is a typo. Because the cheapest GTX 780 in the USA is going for $489.99, and the cheapest R9-290X is going for $579.99.

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I hope that is a typo. Because the cheapest GTX 780 in the USA is going for $489.99, and the cheapest R9-290X is going for $579.99.

I meant the 780 TI..But if you wanna go there, the cheapest 290 (not the x), is $469.99

So still a better buy
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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

To be clear, I like the direction Mantle is taking with CPU limited scenarios. That's fine. This needs to happen in both DX12 AND Mantle and I am happy that AMD has done this. However, suggesting that we should test CPUs from 2007 to make mantle shine is stupid and blows my mind. If you can afford a 700$ CPU, then you can afford a 200$ 4670K, period.

It's like some AMD fans want to show Mantle in the best light by using scenarios that are completely stupid and unrealistic. That's the gist of my argument here - Mantle doesn't cover 100% of games, it covers .00001% of games, so it isn't reasonable to suggest that everyone sticks to a 50$ CPU just to use Mantle. Anyway, Just be content with the 10% performance gain that the high end is getting. That is certainly NOTHING AT ALL to scoff at, it's 10% free performance. AMD users on the high end are getting free frame rates and slightly better frame times. Again...NOTHING to scoff at there. AMD achieved their goal and Mantle is working as it should be.

My only argument is those trying to suggest artificial tests just to inflate Mantle's scores - by lowering IQ settings and using crap CPUs. That's pretty silly.

This is not a knock against Mantle. Again, Mantle is providing a free performance boost for AMD users. That's awesome. For the 100th time, I just don't like the idea of trying to suggest artificial scenarios designed only to inflate Mantle benchmarks. By using cheese CPUs. Make sense? Mantle is doing it's job and doing it well. I applaud AMD for that.

You don't need 2007 cpus for mantle to shine. This review proved that.

Also the many i5, 8350, i3 overclocked users also benefit alot.
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You can get a 290x for 100$ cheaper..why would anyone get the 780 at this point...it's simply not worth it

Because the 780 Ti is faster stock for stock and has MUCH more OC headroom than the 290x, no matter what the cooler. GK110 just clocks better than Hawaii on average. If you're an overclocker the 780 Ti will be significantly faster for you. And then you get G-sync, shadowplay, CUDA, physx, etc...

Yes it's still overpriced, I'm not defending Nvidia's gouging, but to the enthusiast that demands the best there is, it's worth the extra $100. But if the 290 series ever returns to MSRP, it will once again be the king of price/performance in the high end. I got a 290 at launch for $400 and the performance I got for that money was amazing. I wouldn't even touch it at these gouged prices though.
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Because the 780 Ti is faster stock for stock and has MUCH more OC headroom than the 290x, no matter what the cooler. GK110 just clocks better than Hawaii on average. If you're an overclocker the 780 Ti will be significantly faster for you. And then you get G-sync, shadowplay, CUDA, physx, etc...

Yes it's still overpriced, I'm not defending Nvidia's gouging, but to the enthusiast that demands the best there is, it's worth the extra $100. But if the 290 series ever returns to MSRP, it will once again be the king of price/performance in the high end. I got a 290 at launch for $400 and the performance I got for that money was amazing. I wouldn't even touch it at these gouged prices though.
I sincerely doubt that once you go high res and especially if you're going to be using multiple cards AMD is the only right choice. The second thing is in the rest of the world miners are not really in abundance due to the high cost of power.

A 290 starts at 340 euro thumb.gif
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I sincerely doubt that once you go high res and especially if you're going to be using multiple cards AMD is the only right choice. The second thing is in the rest of the world miners are not really in abundance due to the high cost of power.

A 290 starts at 340 euro thumb.gif

alright sure, at 4K, AMD is leading the way right now. But how many of us can afford a 4K setup? At 1080 and 1440p (the majority of us) the 780 Ti is the go-to card right now, especially if you play on a 1080p 120hz monitor.
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alright sure, at 4K, AMD is leading the way right now. But how many of us can afford a 4K setup? At 1080 and 1440p (the majority of us) the 780 Ti is the go-to card right now, especially if you play on a 1080p 120hz monitor.

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http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014/01/26/xfx_r9_290x_double_dissipation_edition_crossfire_review/8
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Uh, the 290X even with substantial overclocks is losing to the reference 780ti at 4k resolution with the most up to date drivers:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_r9_290x_lightning_review,28.html

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_r9_290x_lightning_review,29.html


The 290X MSI lightning is losing to the reference GTX 780ti in 5 out 7 tests at 4k. AMD wins Hitman absolution and BF4, loses everything else. That's the reference 780ti.

Now AMD is performing very well, do not get me wrong. IT is a very strong card for 4k, no question about it. Yet, there are like 3 people running 4k, so there's that.Also, this test doesn't have a custom 780ti - a custom OC'ed 780ti would obviously do that much better. But the statement that the 290X is outright better at 4k, no, that really isn't the case as guru3d shows here. They are fairly close though - They're both pretty close enough to where they both provide a good experience. Can't really go wrong with either card, but US/CDN prices for factory OC'ed 290X cards are not desirable right now. You could of course get a ref 290X, but I don't think that's such a good idea unless someone is going for a custom water loop.

edit: just found an Asus DC II 780ti also tested just today at 4k resolution:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_directcu_geforce_gtx_780_ti_oc_review,17.html

Like I said, both cards are close. Both are a good experience. You cannot go wrong with either card, they're both outstanding for 4k. Yet,the statement that the 290X wins at 4k? Incorrect. The latter review here has 7/7 wins for the 780ti at 4k res.
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