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It's not something the industry really openly discusses.

While at CES in Japan(I went in 2009), it was disclosed to myself and a few others, that that's how it's actually done. The source was actually someone that worked for Square...I knew it was happening but, didn't know the specifics...I doubt anything has changed except for visual # recognition technology...Maybe they can skip a few steps but, here's the skinny:

The Eastern markets are significantly different outside of Europe. So to sell to those countries, price is scaled...It's this scaling that "we" take advantage of.

Say I'm an E-tailer in India.

We just received physical stock that's priced at $20-$30. Which is the acceptable market price, there.

I buy ALL OF THE STOCK I can possibly find. There's no on-line market because it's India and EA really has no reach but, there's a huge demand for the physical product. So I buy out 10 stores.

So now, I have 10,000 units. I need to get those serial #'s...Because that's all Americans care about.

I hire 10 kids. They open boxes, take pictures of the Serial and then a few other kids put them in the computer. (Ever notice that once and a while, you get a bounce back or an in-use and then have to get a new one...This is why) I have about a 5% failure but, that's enough to justify selling.

So now, I throw them on the website, EARLY, because I received retail copies 2 weeks before the game launches. I sell them as "Digital Copies"...

Americans buy them up because they save $20ish per unit.

I make A LOT OF MONEY and get ready to do it again for the next game!

***

You save $25, sure...But, now you've contributed to that cycle.

This actually has a bigger effect than just that.

I've now created a false demand. EA now sees this demand as being a real physical demand so, they go out and next time, ship me 2x the copies. Which causes this cycle to boom.

I've also essentially hired slave labor...Which, who really cares how old the person is, maybe they're 6, 18 or 25 -- You're still paying someone to open a physical copy.

Above and beyond that, you actually impact the studio.

That game was priced there, for a reason. So each time you "save" $25, you're actually hurting the studio. You're hurting the studio because EA still takes it's 20% only now, the studio gets $24 as opposed to $48...Which, is actually a really big deal.

Most people think a VPN will "hide" them from Origin or Steam but, it actually exposes you because you connect to those games, independent of steam...And you red-flag yourself, anyway.

Industry wide, we're already seeing region locked serial #'s and this entire situation is the root cause...It's only going to lead to more DRM...More region-locks etc.

I think there was a piece done a few years ago that focused mainly on Foxconn but, touched on the gaming industry -- Lemmy see if I can find it.

All of that sounds really good and all but my problem with it is your very first sentence. Sorry but I just can't accept this as a valid reason to not purchase cheaper CD keys. I'm not saying this doesn't happen but what I am saying is that w/o any proof or any documentation on this as an actual problem it's really nothing but he said she said. Not to mention the fact that you work in the industry itself. I'm not trying to say you are being biased but what I am saying is that it's a possibility. Of course companies want people to pay higher prices as opposed to lower prices. Who wouldn't? Who is to say this isn't just a bunch of made up bull to guilt trip people though?

I mean if you personally work in the industry and your only source on this is "some guy from CES" I'd hardly call that reliable. I mean these are some pretty substantial claims to be making.

Lastly I just want to say that I paid the full $60 for this game. I happen to really enjoy it and I feel like the devs earned my 60 dollars. However I also have the ability to pay that 60 dollars w/o it hurting me in anyway. I would never have a problem with someone else choosing to save money though. Not unless it can be proven that in doing so they contribute to some horrible thing such as you describe. Even still, why should the consumer feel bad and not the company itself? I'm pretty sure EA or Respawn doesn't care that some10 year kid allegedly got paid 10 cents a day to pull that key. I bet they are still cashing those checks.
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I never thought about that. If that is true, I feel kinda bad about the couple games I bought that way.

Do you have any articles on that would love to read up on it?

It's not something the industry really openly discusses.

While at CES in Japan(I went in 2009), it was disclosed to myself and a few others, that that's how it's actually done. The source was actually someone that worked for Square...I knew it was happening but, didn't know the specifics...I doubt anything has changed except for visual # recognition technology...Maybe they can skip a few steps but, here's the skinny:

The Eastern markets are significantly different outside of Europe. So to sell to those countries, price is scaled...It's this scaling that "we" take advantage of.

Say I'm an E-tailer in India.

We just received physical stock that's priced at $20-$30. Which is the acceptable market price, there.

I buy ALL OF THE STOCK I can possibly find. There's no on-line market because it's India and EA really has no reach but, there's a huge demand for the physical product. So I buy out 10 stores.

So now, I have 10,000 units. I need to get those serial #'s...Because that's all Americans care about.

I hire 10 kids. They open boxes, take pictures of the Serial and then a few other kids put them in the computer. (Ever notice that once and a while, you get a bounce back or an in-use and then have to get a new one...This is why) I have about a 5% failure but, that's enough to justify selling.

So now, I throw them on the website, EARLY, because I received retail copies 2 weeks before the game launches. I sell them as "Digital Copies"...

Americans buy them up because they save $20ish per unit.

I make A LOT OF MONEY and get ready to do it again for the next game!

***

You save $25, sure...But, now you've contributed to that cycle.

This actually has a bigger effect than just that.

I've now created a false demand. EA now sees this demand as being a real physical demand so, they go out and next time, ship me 2x the copies. Which causes this cycle to boom.

I've also essentially hired slave labor...Which, who really cares how old the person is, maybe they're 6, 18 or 25 -- You're still paying someone to open a physical copy.

Above and beyond that, you actually impact the studio.

That game was priced there, for a reason. So each time you "save" $25, you're actually hurting the studio. You're hurting the studio because EA still takes it's 20% only now, the studio gets $24 as opposed to $48...Which, is actually a really big deal.

Most people think a VPN will "hide" them from Origin or Steam but, it actually exposes you because you connect to those games, independent of steam...And you red-flag yourself, anyway.

Industry wide, we're already seeing region locked serial #'s and this entire situation is the root cause...It's only going to lead to more DRM...More region-locks etc.

I think there was a piece done a few years ago that focused mainly on Foxconn but, touched on the gaming industry -- Lemmy see if I can find it.

Why would I care? Are you insinuating that we as consumers should shoulder responsibility for a company's merchandise when they won't? I'm literally chuckling about this.

I'm going to take some kind of personal responsibility for trade inequities and human rights violations in other countries? Get lost. I paid $48 for this game and I don't give one damn about other countries' social situations or human rights standards. Why on Earth would I? Me paying more money for merchandise is going to change that? Nope.avi
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Overcharging?

$60 is the status quot.

If you disagree with that, don't buy them. Period.

And secondly, you're ripping of Respawn, NOT EA as most of you blindly believe you are.

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Makes you wonder what went wrong with this generation.

I know respawn is taking the loss.

I will buy where it is priced reasonable.

$60 is a status quote? Not for this one.
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All of that sounds really good and all but my problem with it is your very first sentence. Sorry but I just can't accept this as a valid reason to not purchase cheaper CD keys. I'm not saying this doesn't happen but what I am saying is that w/o any proof or any documentation on this as an actual problem it's really nothing but he said she said. Not to mention the fact that you work in the industry itself. I'm not trying to say you are being biased but what I am saying is that it's a possibility. Of course companies want people to pay higher prices as opposed to lower prices. Who wouldn't? Who is to say this isn't just a bunch of made up bull to guilt trip people though?

I mean if you personally work in the industry and your only source on this is "some guy from CES" I'd hardly call that reliable. I mean these are some pretty substantial claims to be making.

Lastly I just want to say that I paid the full $60 for this game. I happen to really enjoy it and I feel like the devs earned my 60 dollars. However I also have the ability to pay that 60 dollars w/o it hurting me in anyway. I would never have a problem with someone else choosing to save money though. Not unless it can be proven that in doing so they contribute to some horrible thing such as you describe. Even still, why should the consumer feel bad and not the company itself? I'm pretty sure EA or Respawn doesn't care that some10 year kid allegedly got paid 10 cents a day to pull that key. I bet they are still cashing those checks.

I'm not giving up my source...But, he's beyond reproach. I don't care if you believe it or not because it's actually what goes on and anyone in the industry has SOME idea this actually happens.

How do you think your region 7 game was so cheap? Do you even KNOW where region 7 is? Oh wait, it's the one we're discussing...It's where 99% of these serials came from for nickels on the dollar...Derrrr I wonder how?!?!?! Especially since it's listing is: Retail product.

I build networks, I don't sell games. I see no return regardless of what happens.

I do however see the effects first hand, including how much it impacts studios.

We're seeing the results of these cheaper games already in tighter DRM and region locks.

In fact, 3/4 major betas WILL BE REGION LOCKED BY SERIAL to prevent these issues in the future.

Don't worry, your tune will change when you see what's coming our way pretty soon. thumb.gif
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Why would I care? Are you insinuating that we as consumers should shoulder responsibility for a company's merchandise when they won't? I'm literally chuckling about this.

I'm going to take some kind of personal responsibility for trade inequities and human rights violations in other countries? Get lost. I paid $48 for this game and I don't give one damn about other countries' social situations or human rights standards. Why on Earth would I? Me paying more money for merchandise is going to change that? Nope.avi

Changes are already happening. Hope you enjoy being region locked to that serial. Keep paying $48, I really hope you speak Arabic, Russian or whatever else they throw your way...Because they have the right to and are exercising that right very soon!!!!
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Changes are already happening. Hope you enjoy being region locked to that serial. Keep paying $48, I really hope you speak Arabic, Russian or whatever else they throw your way...Because they have the right to and are exercising that right very soon!!!!

I hope they do make those changes. However, I'm not going to take any responsibility for another country or region's unscrupulous actions.
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I'm not giving up my source...But, he's beyond reproach. I don't care if you believe it or not because it's actually what goes on and anyone in the industry has SOME idea this actually happens.

How do you think your region 7 game was so cheap? Do you even KNOW where region 7 is? Oh wait, it's the one we're discussing...It's where 99% of these serials came from for nickels on the dollar...Derrrr I wonder how?!?!?! Especially since it's listing is: Retail product.

I build networks, I don't sell games. I see no return regardless of what happens.

I do however see the effects first hand, including how much it impacts studios.

We're seeing the results of these cheaper games already in tighter DRM and region locks.

In fact, 3/4 major betas WILL BE REGION LOCKED BY SERIAL to prevent these issues in the future.

Don't worry, your tune will change when you see what's coming our way pretty soon. thumb.gif
Changes are already happening. Hope you enjoy being region locked to that serial. Keep paying $48, I really hope you speak Arabic, Russian or whatever else they throw your way...Because they have the right to and are exercising that right very soon!!!!

I'm not asking you to give up your source. In fact even if you did it would not make the slightest difference in how believable this is. The point is you cannot only list one source from one side and claim this is how it is. I can also tell you why imo it's not talked about in the industry and I have nothing to do with the industry. Either it's simply not true, OR it is true and they are smart enough not to bring this to the attention of the general public. If they did people would start asking why the gaming industry as a whole has no problem cashing checks and raking in money from such despicable practices.

If it is true I agree with you, it's bad and people should do their best not to contribute. However the wrong of the companies themselves should not be overlooked. The blame cannot be placed squarely on the consumer.

Lastly while I do believe you (not trying to call you a liar) in that someone did tell you this I do not fully believe he was being 100% truthful. I believe he was obviously biased. My reasoning for this is entertainment companies have NO problem what so ever in screaming at the top of their lungs when things are "not fair" or when they are not making the money they believe they should. Just see "piracy" as an example of this. So yeah, if this were a problem as wide spread as you seem to believe I have no doubt it'd be hammered into our heads every time we turn around.
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So $60 is USD and then $99 in AUD is fair? lol keep dreaming mate.
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So $60 is USD and then $99 in AUD is fair? lol keep dreaming mate.

It's not my problem mate. Like I said.

There are already games in the pipeline that have region restrictions.

Enjoy your game in Arabic.
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So $60 is USD and then $99 in AUD is fair? lol keep dreaming mate.

I will be moving to Australia soon, so I will surely not be paying $99 aud for a game lol.
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I will be moving to Australia soon, so I will surely not be paying $99 aud for a game lol.

Like I said, then enjoy your games in Arabic.

This abuse has gone on too long for 3/4 of the major distributors and changes are going live within the next year.

Don't want to spend 60usd? I hope you speak another language. thumb.gif
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