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Staking radiators kills efficency. Martin has done testing and concluded the following:
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Thanks for the info, I know this will help me allot with my design.

Cheers,
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if we have a bit more info on what you ar trying to do we might be able to help
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if we have a bit more info on what you ar trying to do we might be able to help

Cool an overclocked i7 and 2 GTX *80 grade GPUs in a cylindrical form factor inspired by the Mac Pro2013.

Ideally I'd like to stack rads so that the only break in the cylinder is the mobo IO panel.

However, if I have to I can mount a 360 rad vertically and have an IO & Rad exhaust quadrant on the cylinder and simply angle the case on the desk such that I can't see that quadrant. Then just have a 200mm fan up top for pulling air of mobo/ram etc.
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Sounds like you almost want to try to salvage a reference GPU cooler. That or get out the TiG welder and try to build a heatsink of your own aping Apple's.

They just don;t really make CPU heat sinks in that form factor you want very often. Here's what I got for ideas:

One possibility is putting the air intake in the middle of th machine, and using a centrifugal turbine to blow the air up and down. Then you could have two separate coolers, each with it;s own air outlet. Gonna have a great big 120mm hole in the middl of th machine thoguh, and it's not exactly space efficient or quiet.

If you're willing to go big you could do a bong cooler down the middle of the thing. They need to be pretty tall though. maybe se if there are any industrial 2u coolers that are exceptionally long. You want something that looks a bit like a ps4 cooler.

You might be able to find a stock titan cooler online. That might have enough punch to cool a cpu if you can figure out how to attach it. Iffy though.

On the wild end you could make your own cooler around the OUTSIDE of the machine based on howusehold heat pump technology.

A heat pump is bascially a gigantic air conditioner, and as such is an AIO watercooler built for freon (or similar legal materials)

The way they often do their radiators is to have a big coil of copper tube that goes all the way around the thing and then they take a strip of aluminum with slices cut in it like a comb, and wrap the whole tube. The result looks a lot like tinsel. Lot of work to do, but you could make a really gigantic watercooler that way that would fit your form factor. The only problem is they eject their air out all sides of the machine so the case cover would basically have to be grillwork.

On the bright sid you may be able to find a small one with a busted compressor, dig the internals out and have a case, fan, and cooler all ready made.


Edited by bombastinator - 3/6/14 at 5:42pm
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I also agree with you on the downstream air being hotter. It would be an interesting experiment to conduct to see whether or not that has a big enough impact on the water temps that it should be avoided.

its been done.
i doubt 2x 120 rads would be worth the effort as everyone has said. 3x or 4x 120/140(meaning 360 or 480 size rads) rads would make a difference more than 1x 120 rads (meaning single fan rads).
for water flow though, last rad to get air is first to get water.
if the only way to get 240 of rads in a case is to stack them, you need to rethink water cooling that case.
Edited by pc-illiterate - 3/6/14 at 7:20pm
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^^ What the man said. ^^
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Looks like I'll have to back to the sketchup drawing board so. As a side note, what a wonderful tool it is for this kind of thing
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If we are talking stacking radiators in series, it;'s been tested and well dopcumented on martinsliquidlab. Recommendation: Don't do it

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/06/08/hesmelaughs-radiator-sandwich-testing/
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The first, shocking realization is this: The stacked rads almost always perform worse than the solo rad with the same number of fans.
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post #19 of 32
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Hmm. Having a further think about it this morning. Maybe the 'Cooler' albeit warmer idea would be to follow the Mac Pro's lead in the cooling system as well as the aesthetics?

ie. big ass CPU blocks and ram sinks on CPU and GPU. Trim the fins with a Dremel to fit the form factor and push pull fans top and bottom.

Like bombastinator said, I should start looking at CPU heat sinks and thinking about how I could mod them to the form factor.

Already started looking at fans. My first thought was 200 or 230mm fans but was already starting to worry about the flow void in the middle of the fans. Then I realised that its probably possible to fit 4x 120mm Noctuas top and bottom for a total of 8 into the 250mm Diameter cylinder by cutting a corner off each fan frame.

If I can maximise Heatsink area by whatever means, I might even be able to still overclock somewhat.
Edited by Calibos - 3/8/14 at 3:11am
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Ideas racing through my head today. Can't wait to finish work and get back home and model again. Might ask for this thread to be moved to the air-cooling forum.

Thanks for steering me in the right direction guys!
Edited by Calibos - 3/8/14 at 2:57am
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