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And the point is when you go to such a place that is "public access," it's not for you to decide whether another person there can record you or not. It's up to the person/people in charge of the private property. Yes, the manager/security staff can immediately tell the person to leave and they must, but if you tell them to put away their camera or leave, they have absolutely no obligation to.

As the owner if I tell someone to put a recording device away and they don't I can and have legally taken it from them. I have done this while we have hosted special DJ/musicans and back when we hosted Girls Gone Wild.

Yes, you can. That wasn't anything I've ever refuted from the beginning.
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post #112 of 182
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As the owner if I tell someone to put a recording device away and they don't I can and have legally taken it from them. I have done this while we have hosted special DJ/musicans and back when we hosted Girls Gone Wild.

The point is, bars are public place, and as a customer you should not have any expectation of privacy in public places, i can video tape you if i want, and of course the owner can set rules.
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Uhm, as long as you aren't discriminating based on race, you can ban whatever you want on your commercial property.

You can't really prove discrimination. Unless you want major issues with the social media, a bad rep for your business, it would be best to seek a less aggressive solution. Anybody can pull the discrimination card nowadays in the US.

But anyways, i'm pretty sure the people in the thread are discussing PUBLIC as in, PEOPLE CAN SEE YOU, not the legality of it
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You can't really prove discrimination. Unless you want major issues with the social media, a bad rep for your business, it would be best to seek a less aggressive solution. Anybody can pull the discrimination card nowadays in the US.

But anyways, i'm pretty sure the people in the thread are discussing PUBLIC as in, PEOPLE CAN SEE YOU, not the legality of it


Yes you can prove discrimination in the blatant way. Ban a minority from your bar. You can't do that. You can, however, ban recorders.
 
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Yes you can prove discrimination in the blatant way. Ban a minority from your bar. You can't do that. You can, however, ban recorders.

So I must turn in my cell phone because its a recording device?

Also, what happens in the scenario where the owner allows recording from cell phones but not of glass?

Before you respond, just think of some of the really stupid things people have done and have gotten press time for lol
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Uhm, as long as you aren't discriminating based on race, you can ban whatever you want on your commercial property.

How do you clarify it? and as long as you adhere to laws of said area then sure. If some bloke walks on your property as a shortcut and has google glass then what, shoot him on sight?

If hes in the middle of the land and needs to get to the other side, you make him walk around? Because hes wearing glasses that could potentially record just like a great many of other devices?

As long as you remove said person
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Which I have already stated multiple times and didn't feel the need to reiterate, but I guess it's too much for people to read an entire thread.

Really? Is that post even necessary? The post itself is nothing but an invite to conflict and offers absolutely nothing to the thread or the forums
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So I must turn in my cell phone because its a recording device?

Also, what happens in the scenario where the owner allows recording from cell phones but not of glass?

Before you respond, just think of some of the really stupid things people have done and have gotten press time for lol
How do you clarify it? and as long as you adhere to laws of said area then sure. If some bloke walks on your property as a shortcut and has google glass then what, shoot him on sight?

If hes in the middle of the land and needs to get to the other side, you make him walk around? Because hes wearing glasses that could potentially record just like a great many of other devices?

As long as you remove said person
Really? Is that post even necessary? The post itself is nothing but an invite to conflict and offers absolutely nothing to the thread or the forums

Banning usage =/= confiscation.

If the owner allows cellphone recordings but not google glass recordings, people can complain to him for hypocrisy. But it's entirely up to his discretion. If customers don't like it, they leave and he loses business. Simple as that.

If he walks onto your property without permission, that's trespassing. If it's a private property with public access in the case of businesses, you have every right to tell him to remove it until he gets off the premises. Again, barring the use of a device does not mean confiscation of said device upon entry. This isn't high school we're talking about, this is the adult world.

If you had read my posts in this thread, you would have realized that your post was the entirely unnecessary one.

Additionally, it is a dictatorship in a sense. You're on their property, you abide by their rules, or you leave.
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He must still adhere to law. He may not touch him either, as that would be assault.

You forget that this is a country where can break into another's home, and sue them for not allowing him out of said home for unlawful detainment.

I apologize that my post was not convenient to you, next time something arises in an untimely manner at work I will be sure to keep you in mind as to not inconvenience you?

I dont remember mentioning confiscation? That would turn into theft. Morally maybe not, however I doubt it would play out that way in court.

The turning in bit is in response to a bar's restriction of the device. Not a healthy business practice if you ask me
    
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Turning it in is akin to confiscation. The article explicitly stated that the bar asks people to remove Google Glass before entering the bar. Not sure why you're talking about turning anything in? And if it is actually detrimental to a business, they would feel it in their revenue sheets. But again, it doesn't matter whether their rules are good business practices or not, it's their business and they're free to do whatever they want with it, even if it means running it into the ground.

Since when did I say anything about breaking the law? I've stated multiple times that private entity owners are free to make up whatever rule they want as long as it doesn't violate local, state, or federal laws. I've said that at least 5 times in this thread, it should have been clear by now, but I guess because some people can't read anything but the last post, they make a big issue out of anything that isn't mentioned.

Anyone can sue for anything. Whether it pans out in legal court is an entirely different matter.
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Turning it in is akin to confiscation. The article explicitly stated that the bar asks people to remove Google Glass before entering the bar. Not sure why you're talking about turning anything in? And if it is actually detrimental to a business, they would feel it in their revenue sheets. But again, it doesn't matter whether their rules are good business practices or not, it's their business and they're free to do whatever they want with it, even if it means running it into the ground.

Since when did I say anything about breaking the law? I've stated multiple times that private entity owners are free to make up whatever rule they want as long as it doesn't violate local, state, or federal laws. I've said that at least 5 times in this thread, it should have been clear by now, but I guess because some people can't read anything but the last post, they make a big issue out of anything that isn't mentioned.

Anyone can sue for anything. Whether it pans out in legal court is an entirely different matter.

IT was a hypothetical.

Often times I doubt people would have a cool enough head to follow through with that.

I apologize, I forgot if someone states it first I can no longer concur with said argument. Does this mean I must play devils advocate now or is that side of the debate also taken?

More often than not, it pans out in our day and age
    
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IT was a hypothetical.

Often times I doubt people would have a cool enough head to follow through with that.

I apologize, I forgot if someone states it first I can no longer concur with said argument. Does this mean I must play devils advocate now or is that side of the debate also taken?

More often than not, it pans out in our day and age

The style of your post wasn't concurring, it was making a point to me that I (and several others) have already made throughout the thread.
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