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Lol, thought? They thought she was recording? No proof, just a bunch of idiots kicking up a fuss?

Yes, something out of nothing! To the letter!

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i wonder if google can do something about this if more and more establishments starts banning the glass.

Like for example, if walmart starts banning people wearing oakleys, etc. doesn't oakley have grounds to sue for discrimination?
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What's with the fear of recording? Don't want your private life publicly known, don't go into public places that are loaded with other people. That's the definition of a public place... where the public is. Get it? Don't act like a jackass out in the real world and nobody will care.

It tells me you have something to hide if I can't record in your establishment. Police cars record everything, most stores record, malls, gas stations, road intersections, etc. You are on a recording camera almost everywhere you go but somehow I shouldn't be allowed to do the same thing? Give me a break. Paranoid much?
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What's with the fear of recording? Don't want your private life publicly known, don't go into public places that are loaded with other people. That's the definition of a public place... where the public is. Get it? Don't act like a jackass out in the real world and nobody will care.

It tells me you have something to hide if I can't record in your establishment. Police cars record everything, most stores record, malls, gas stations, road intersections, etc. You are on a recording camera almost everywhere you go but somehow I shouldn't be allowed to do the same thing? Give me a break. Paranoid much?

Yeah, but they don't have a say in that...or for example that the same bar owner might also have CCTV...
But rebelling against a large multi-billion corp makes couch warriors feel warm inside.
Not that they will do without internet cookies, or their smartphones logging data about them...but talking bad vs. a silly multi thousand $ gadget that they won't own in the immediate future doesn't cost anything.
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What's with the fear of recording? Don't want your private life publicly known, don't go into public places that are loaded with other people. That's the definition of a public place... where the public is. Get it? Don't act like a jackass out in the real world and nobody will care.

It tells me you have something to hide if I can't record in your establishment. Police cars record everything, most stores record, malls, gas stations, road intersections, etc. You are on a recording camera almost everywhere you go but somehow I shouldn't be allowed to do the same thing? Give me a break. Paranoid much?

The title is a bit sensationalist. It should be:

"Bar bans Google Glasses because it fears fights caused by Google Glasses." Of course, that wouldn't grab attention as much...
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Why is there a backlash against video recordings in semi-public spaces anyways? Under the US Constitution, there is no objective, reasonable expectation of privacy inside a bar. As a result, unless a state specifically passes a law to the contrary, you can already legally video tape inside a bar without the owner or subject even being informed. This happens all the time. Lawyers meet unsuspecting people at coffee shops to record the entire conversation surreptitiously and use it as evidence (civil litigations, of course).

All Glass does is let everyone know the potential to record is there. That potential never goes away, and there is nothing you can do to squash said potential (unless you have influence over law makers, and of course different countries have different laws).
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Why is there a backlash against video recordings in semi-public spaces anyways? Under the US Constitution, there is no objective, reasonable expectation of privacy inside a bar. As a result, unless a state specifically passes a law to the contrary, you can already legally video tape inside a bar without the owner or subject even being informed. This happens all the time. Lawyers meet unsuspecting people at coffee shops to record the entire conversation surreptitiously and use it as evidence (civil litigations, of course).

All Glass does is let everyone know the potential to record is there. That potential never goes away, and there is nothing you can do to squash said potential (unless you have influence over law makers, and of course different countries have different laws).

In California it's illegal to record conversations without the consent of both parties. Even if it's in public:
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the person whom you're recording may or may not have "an objectively reasonable expectation that no one is listening in or overhearing the conversation," and the reasonableness of the expectation would depend on the particular factual circumstances. Therefore, you cannot necessarily assume that you are in the clear simply because you are in a public place.

Again though, rules made within a bar or any other business is the owner's prerogative. If you video tape inside the business and they find out about it, and they have rules against it, they can go after you for civil damages. At the very minimum, if they catch you in the act, they'll tell you to stop or be forced to leave.
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In California it's illegal to record conversations without the consent of both parties. Even if it's in public:
That is fair, but establishments in states where that is not the case (such as mine) have been banning Google Glass for months. This will end up back in front of SCotUS in our lifetimes, I am certain.
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Again though, rules made within a bar or any other business is the owner's prerogative. If you video tape inside the business and they find out about it, and they have rules against it, they can go after you for civil damages. At the very minimum, if they catch you in the act, they'll tell you to stop or be forced to leave.
This isn't true in certain states. Just like a bar owner cannot ban the disabled (due to the ADA), some bar owners cannot ban video taping, regardless of their rules on it. The phrase "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone", commonly used as a catch-all in these kinds of cases, cannot be applied to people exercising their inalienable rights. Bars can't ban books or reading, as an example. In many places in the US, video taping is just as bannable as reading books.
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In California it's illegal to record conversations without the consent of both parties. Even if it's in public:
Again though, rules made within a bar or any other business is the owner's prerogative. If you video tape inside the business and they find out about it, and they have rules against it, they can go after you for civil damages. At the very minimum, if they catch you in the act, they'll tell you to stop or be forced to leave.

Are you sure? I just did a research about this a while ago, you can even videotape a police officer legally, that includes audio. I might be wrong though.
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That is fair, but establishments in states where that is not the case (such as mine) have been banning Google Glass for months. This will end up back in front of SCotUS in our lifetimes, I am certain.
This isn't true in certain states. Just like a bar owner cannot ban the disabled (due to the ADA), some bar owners cannot ban video taping, regardless of their rules on it. The phrase "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone", commonly used as a catch-all in these kinds of cases, cannot be applied to people exercising their inalienable rights. Bars can't ban books or reading, as an example. In many places in the US, video taping is just as bannable as reading books.

See, making rules about not video taping is not the same thing as discriminating against groups of people. Video taping is not a condition, it's an act. You can't discriminate against conditions, but you can discriminate against actions. Unless you prove otherwise (there is a law that explicitly states that a private business owner cannot ban usage of devices), the owner is free to ban whatever they want as long as it doesn't discriminate against groups of people for being a certain way.
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Are you sure? I just did a research about this a while ago, you can even videotape a police officer legally, that includes audio. I might be wrong though.

An on duty police officer isn't a private citizen, he/she is a public servant, so the law doesn't apply. Off duty, he/she would be a private citizen and the law would apply. That's how I understand it at least. It's the same thing for government meetings that are supposed to be open to the public. Any governmental hearing or meeting that is open to the public has to allow recording of said hearing or meetings.
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