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Originally Posted by RiverOfIce View Post

Yes he does. If he has the right to kick you out, he has the right to limit your other rights by asking you to leave. By california law, he would be punished for not doing exactly that.

That what I thought too. It's interesting that I havent seen any establishments forcing people to sign a waiver, yet. ph34r-smiley.gif
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Legitimate how, exactly?

What's the absolute worst thing that could happen? They are recording using the device? Then what? Aliens will arrive on their spaceships and lay waste to the earth? All your teeth will fall out? Gay marriage will be mandatory?

The chances of someone recording with glass constantly are slim, and even then, I don't really see the big deal.

And before anyone counters with the usual "Let me follow you around recording you, then?" Yes, ok, because that's what all these Glass users do, all the time. They follow people around recording.

Actually your wrong, this is exactly where Googles huge PR campaign begins "dont be a glass hole" has been featured on many news sites, its because users of google glass have been doing EXACTLY that. What did they expect? once the novelty has worn off, people will probably take them off.

Would you expect your average UK citizen to be respectful if they saw their girl friends being recording in a city pub or club by some techno ned? come on now we all know what would happen.. face punch. In fact im awaiting the first daily tabloid to run the story of someone being killed over google glass.




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so, so cool

but where are the windscreen wipers for the rain coolsmiley03.png
Edited by Pip Boy - 3/6/14 at 2:40pm
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...Posted by the individual who got fired themselves, or posted by someone else, videoing the individual being a moron.

That is not a valid point to counter Glass in public. It's just a device. And the opposition to it is unnecessarily paranoid.

I can see very strict occasions where it should be barred from use, such as cinemas, or somewhere like a "gentlemens club". Anywhere they usually ban all forms of photography. But coffee shops? McDonalds? Puh-lease.

Recording of employees and recording in stores is barred in general. I know drug stores, at least in California, usually bar people from recording. We had to record in secret for a class assignment, which I won't get into. Point is, while streets and public places of gathering (like parks) are public, stores and anything else owned by private individuals/corporations are considered private property. As private property, they have the right to restrict whatever they want whether its their own personal concerns or their patron's concern, as long as it doesn't fall under discriminatory laws.

And it doesn't have to be as extreme as you say. Let's say I was in line for a promotion, get a little drunk at a bar to celebrate (not overly drunk, just tipsy and maybe saying one or two stupid things), some idiot posts it on Youtube and all of the sudden I'm no longer in line for the promotion.
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Recording of employees and recording in stores is barred in general. I know drug stores, at least in California, usually bar people from recording. We had to record in secret for a class assignment, which I won't get into. Point is, while streets and public places of gathering (like parks) are public, stores and anything else owned by private individuals/corporations are considered private property. As private property, they have the right to restrict whatever they want whether its their own personal concerns or their patron's concern, as long as it doesn't fall under discriminatory laws.

And it doesn't have to be as extreme as you say. Let's say I was in line for a promotion, get a little drunk at a bar to celebrate (not overly drunk, just tipsy and maybe saying one or two stupid things), some idiot posts it on Youtube and all of the sudden I'm no longer in line for the promotion.

which given how "super clean" you have to be in the job market these days and the amount of data businesses can pull up about you could easily happen.

Seriously though, has anyone stopped to wonder why google are doing this? IMO its just another step to harvest as much physical information as possible, its pathological at this point what exactly do they hope to understand? I think they are just trying to be everywhere and sell every scrap of information they can to every other company they can. But the big question is, when are the consumers of phones/tablets/glass/maps etc.. going to take a cut for providing google with such a huge revenue stream?
at some point in the not too distant future tablets and phones are expected to saturate and start to slow down in overall development at the same time the interest curves are expected to drop as the tech isn’t 'new' anymore, so if google are making billions from your information yet your only win is a crappy samewise phone or plastic headset then the risk reward may start to seem a tad unfair.

Its like "we make many hundreds of billions from you and everything you do, here.. have this plastic tracking device for $500 and pay for the usage continually until you die to help us make more money whilst you lose your dignity and privacy"

Doesn’t quite seem fair thinking.gif
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...Posted by the individual who got fired themselves, or posted by someone else, videoing the individual being a moron.

That is not a valid point to counter Glass in public. It's just a device. And the opposition to it is unnecessarily paranoid.

I can see very strict occasions where it should be barred from use, such as cinemas, or somewhere like a "gentlemens club". Anywhere they usually ban all forms of photography. But coffee shops? McDonalds? Puh-lease.

bingo, secondarily if privacy is such a big deal why are we allowing cell phones. You know how many photos Ive been in because people took selfies in bars or discretely took photos of where they were with all the people not noticing they were being photographed.


Straw man argument is a fallacy. If it's about privacy then the phones need to be banned and so do all personal cameras. Digital cameras can be made to be so miniaturized you would not even recognize it as a recording device!
 
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Recording of employees and recording in stores is barred in general. I know drug stores, at least in California, usually bar people from recording. We had to record in secret for a class assignment, which I won't get into. Point is, while streets and public places of gathering (like parks) are public, stores and anything else owned by private individuals/corporations are considered private property. As private property, they have the right to restrict whatever they want whether its their own personal concerns or their patron's concern, as long as it doesn't fall under discriminatory laws.

And it doesn't have to be as extreme as you say. Let's say I was in line for a promotion, get a little drunk at a bar to celebrate (not overly drunk, just tipsy and maybe saying one or two stupid things), some idiot posts it on Youtube and all of the sudden I'm no longer in line for the promotion.

So, it's more about your right to get drunk and say stupid things, than it is anything else?

And sure, private businesses can do whatever they like, but it's still pretty sad that they are going this route.
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which given how "super clean" you have to be in the job market these days and the amount of data businesses can pull up about you could easily happen.

Seriously though, has anyone stopped to wonder why google are doing this? IMO its just another step to harvest as much physical information as possible, its pathological at this point what exactly do they hope to understand? I think they are just trying to be everywhere and sell every scrap of information they can to every other company they can. But the big question is, when are the consumers of phones/tablets/glass/maps etc.. going to take a cut for providing google with such a huge revenue stream?
at some point in the not too distant future tablets and phones are expected to saturate and start to slow down in overall development at the same time the interest curves are expected to drop as the tech isn’t 'new' anymore, so if google are making billions from your information yet your only win is a crappy samewise phone or plastic headset then the risk reward may start to seem a tad unfair.

Its like "we make many hundreds of billions from you and everything you do, here.. have this plastic tracking device for $500 and pay for the usage continually until you die to help us make more money whilst you lose your dignity and privacy"

Doesn’t quite seem fair thinking.gif

And this is the sort of paranoia I was thinking about.

And regarding the last post. If someone was wearing Glass here in the UK, I'd want to check it out.

Also a NED is a "Non-Educated Delinquent", not the kind of person who could afford a £2k device.

Google had this to say about "Glass holes"
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Be creepy or rude (aka, a “Glass hole”). Respect others and if they have questions about Glass don’t get snappy. Be polite and explain what Glass does and remember, a quick demo can go a long way. In places where cell phone cameras aren’t allowed, the same rules will apply to Glass. If you’re asked to turn your phone off, turn Glass off as well. Breaking the rules or being rude will not get businesses excited about Glass and will ruin it for other Explorers.

I don't see them saying anything about recording people, or anything stupid like the "fears" mentioned in this article.

https://sites.google.com/site/glasscomms/glass-explorers
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I don't think you're important enough for anyone to care about you, even with a cam corder to your face

How does that change anything I said?
 
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bingo, secondarily if privacy is such a big deal why are we allowing cell phones. You know how many photos Ive been in because people took selfies in bars or discretely took photos of where they were with all the people not noticing they were being photographed.


Straw man argument is a fallacy. If it's about privacy then the phones need to be banned and so do all personal cameras. Digital cameras can be made to be so miniaturized you would not even recognize it as a recording device!

Just because you can't prevent it all doesn't mean you shouldn't try to minimize it. With that argument, you can extend it to stopping crime, etc.
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As long as no one is doing anything illegal or incriminating. Then they shouldn't have to worry about someone wearing them thumb.gif .
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As long as no one is doing anything illegal or incriminating. Then they shouldn't have to worry about someone wearing them thumb.gif .
you're one of the people huh, i suppose you wouldnt mind someone following you send with a camera 24 hours a day then, as long as you weren't breaking the law, why not!
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