Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Mice › A lot of brands for gaming, which is the best?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

A lot of brands for gaming, which is the best? - Page 2

Poll Results: Which is the best among these gaming mice?

 
  • 15% (6)
    Razer DeathAdder
  • 10% (4)
    ZOWIE GEAR EC1 eVo
  • 7% (3)
    ROCCAT Kone Pure Optical
  • 38% (15)
    Mionix AVIOR 7000
  • 0% (0)
    ROCCAT Savu Mid-Size Hybrid
  • 10% (4)
    Logitech G400s Optical
  • 17% (7)
    Other (please mention it in)
39 Total Votes  
post #11 of 24
Just to answer a couple of things:

- Yes, the M65 is crap because the sensor is crap, it has inconsistent positive acceleration, as do all ADNS-9500/9800 mice. That's just the way it is. Never buy a laser mouse for FPS. Ever.
- The Avior is well worth its price in build quality, finish, and switch quality, not to mention great, super unintrusive software.
- LOD is very important. The lower it is, the easier time you have repositioning. Sometimes if you have to lift your mouse often and quickly turn around faster than you have enough mousepad for, you have to super fast lift and reposition with lower sensitivity, and that's impossible without a low LOD.
- The Avior "hype" is WELL justified by how good it is. The shape may not work for everyone on the planet, but if you ask me, it should work for 75-90% of hands. It's pretty neutral to multiple grip styles. It goes without saying that the sensor is literally as good as it gets.
L1m1t
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5 GHz ASUS P8Z68-V LX ASUS DirectCU II GTX 770 OC Patriot G2 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital Caviar Black Kingston SSDNow Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Windows 8.1 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ASUS VG248QE SteelSeries 6Gv2 MX Red Corsair TX650 NZXT Source 210 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Zowie FK1 Puretrak Talent ASUS Xonar DG Sennheiser PC350 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Creative Fatal1ty HS-800 Shure SRH440 Audio Technica ATH-M40x AKG K701 
AudioAudio
beyerdynamic DT770 AKG K550 
  hide details  
Reply
L1m1t
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5 GHz ASUS P8Z68-V LX ASUS DirectCU II GTX 770 OC Patriot G2 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital Caviar Black Kingston SSDNow Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Windows 8.1 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ASUS VG248QE SteelSeries 6Gv2 MX Red Corsair TX650 NZXT Source 210 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Zowie FK1 Puretrak Talent ASUS Xonar DG Sennheiser PC350 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Creative Fatal1ty HS-800 Shure SRH440 Audio Technica ATH-M40x AKG K701 
AudioAudio
beyerdynamic DT770 AKG K550 
  hide details  
Reply
post #12 of 24
I'd prefer a Zowie AM with the 3310 and Omrons.
Would be the best mouse, hands down.
post #13 of 24
Give me WMO shape with 3310 and Omrons and I will buy 10 of them instantly.
post #14 of 24
Kinzu V2 Pro with 3310 and centered sensor position plz smile.gif.
post #15 of 24
G400 best mouse, unless Razer puts in 3310 in their Deathadder or CM Storm really revises their Alcor v2 (like centering their sensor instead of putting it way up front)...
Quote:
Originally Posted by reddy89 View Post

Kinzu V2 Pro with 3310 and centered sensor position plz smile.gif.

Not exactly centered. With that Kinzu shape and length, 64-65mm from the bottom is the best.
post #16 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nilizum View Post

Not exactly centered. With that Kinzu shape and length, 64-65mm from the bottom is the best.
Why is that? How do you determine good sensor position? Something I've always wondered.
post #17 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by reddy89 View Post

Why is that? How do you determine good sensor position? Something I've always wondered.

Through lots and lots of R&D and mice purchases. If you really try to think about an optimal sensor position, you gotta fit in a few variables. You have to:

A. Analyze the butt (bottom base of the mouse). If it's like the abyssus, then there is a 'ghost curve' where the butt would slope down if it had one. If it is a lower slant like the EC series or Deathadder, then optimally 66-67 mm is great.

B. If it isn't a lower slant but a slant otherwise, like the G400 shapes, then 65mm is great, which it is. In the market right now the Deathadder and G400 shapes give the best sensor position for an orthodox grip style. Sadly, all ambidextrous mice failed to optimize it, except for the Intellimouse Optical 1.1A. Zowie came close but they put it 4-5mm too high on their AM and FK.

C. The shape has a lot to do with it. A lot of mice have a round, wider base that starts out fat and curves inward. The near end of the curve to where it stops should be where the sensor is. Priority should be the sensor position, so the shape should curve according to the sensor position.

D. Inclined hand orientation to the shape of the mouse. By this, I mean the natural grip (preferably orthodox) that you can reposition your hand on your mouse without a moment's hesitation. If your hand is always in a new position everytime you grip the mouse, or an uncomfortable one where you can't really get a "feel" by just and ONLY muscle memory, then optimal sensor position varies by the amount in change.

Of course, one can lower or heighten their sensitivity accordingly to the total displacement achieved by a swipe, but the less it is at the ideal location creates more adversity when aiming, in other words, one more thing to worry about, so your aim will not feel as natural. There is a reason why Rapha doesn't use an orthodox grip on his WMO and holds it higher with his claw grip.

Those numbers I pulled up have been achieved through years of testing and using a control variable of 2 parallel lines of a medium sensitivity of 28cm/360. I could not go too high or too low as I had to use one practical enough for TWO game types: Fast paced games like Quake and slow paced precision based games like Counter-Strike. If you keep switching between these games with the exact same sensitivity across all mice, you will start to understand how sensor position in relativity to shape really affects how you would really aim, and in that respect, I think Logitech really did their R&D or they came the future, or they got really lucky... Same goes for Razer's flagship Deathadder. The worse part is even given my numbers, the absurdity of finding a balanced optimal sensor position is based on millimeter precision, so extra research really has to be done to not throw all my statements out the window.

---

P.S. There is a reason why there isn't really a perfect mouse for mouse enthusiasts. Every mouse company keeps building their own idea from scratch, and a lot of it has to do with copyright issues. If they want to achieve a true high performance mouse, they will have to stop focusing on the DPI race and build on something that is already GREAT, and make it better. Making something 'similar' does not count as building on something already great. It is still starting from scratch. I came to this conclusion based on posters here constantly reminiscing about older shapes and making so and so adjustments, and one user went as far as flat out saying "cloning the shape" and just adding stuff from there on. Just some food for thought.

Lets just say that mouse engineering ethics are FAR from sports car engineering ethics...
Edited by Nilizum - 3/7/14 at 11:33pm
post #18 of 24
Really good read. Thank you!

I always thought exact center was best because of the Abyssus. Every other ambidextrous mouse I try (WMO, Sensei, FK, Kinzu, etc.) always felt off, even considering the jittery nature of the Abyssus sensor. But because it has that butt and ghost curve your talking about, it's actually just a coincidence. Looks like most shapes require the sensor to be slightly above then? No wonder the Kinzu always felt so damn bad even though that and the Abyssus were in the same weight class.
post #19 of 24

i vote steel seris sensi relay nice mouse works on evry surface you can think of (yes even glass hahaha but its a lazer one


Edited by davcc22 - 3/7/14 at 11:49pm
the money pit
(21 items)
 
  
Reply
the money pit
(21 items)
 
  
Reply
post #20 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by reddy89 View Post

Really good read. Thank you!

I always thought exact center was best because of the Abyssus. Every other ambidextrous mouse I try (WMO, Sensei, FK, Kinzu, etc.) always felt off, even considering the jittery nature of the Abyssus sensor. But because it has that butt and ghost curve your talking about, it's actually just a coincidence. Looks like most shapes require the sensor to be slightly above then? No wonder the Kinzu always felt so damn bad even though that and the Abyssus were in the same weight class.

Ye that is precisely the reason why you feel the differences that you do. I'M GLAD WE CAME TO AN UNDERSTANDING! MUCH TEARS OF JOY! sad-smiley-002.gif
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Mice
Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Mice › A lot of brands for gaming, which is the best?