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It offers the advantage of being able to crossfire with current amd graphics cards, which gives surprisingly good gaming performance. It is also going to have the power to run its integrated graphics without the 260, resulting in a cooler and lower wattage system. You could even sell the 260 to offset the cost. Since I'm on the move, I can't compare the raw CPU power of the 5600k vs the Athalon, but I would assume they aren't too far off.

Edit: It also offers a more efficient upgrade path.

APU: Sell 260 now, run integrated graphics which are powerful by themselves, add compatible crossfire card later.

Athalon: Put in 260 now, if you ever decide to upgrade, you will need to buy a new card first (which will operate independently, and not gain benefit of integrated graphics combo) and then sell the 260 to have a "usable" system.

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It offers the advantage of being able to crossfire with current amd graphics cards, which gives surprisingly good gaming performance. It is also going to have the power to run its integrated graphics without the 260, resulting in a cooler and lower wattage system. You could even sell the 260 to offset the cost. Since I'm on the move, I can't compare the raw CPU power of the 5600k vs the Athalon, but I would assume they aren't too far off.

Edit: It also offers a more efficient upgrade path.

APU: Sell 260 now, run integrated graphics which are powerful by themselves, add compatible crossfire card later.

Athalon: Put in 260 now, if you ever decide to upgrade, you will need to buy a new card first (which will operate independently, and not gain benefit of integrated graphics combo) and then sell the 260 to have a "usable" system.

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Very clear and concise explanation. Thank you!
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Hollywood is forgetting to mention something very important about the APU.
Basically, he is saying the good about the APU. Yes it is good bang for your buck without a dedicated card needed, but he forgot to mention some very important points.

First, you would need faster ram. On normal CPU's, ram speed doesnt matter, but on APU'S, their "GPU" uses system ram/speed for itself. Basically, 1600MHz ram would be good for web browsing, but, just comparing it to 2133 ram, you would lose over 25FPS using the 1600MHz.
Second, you would HAVE to use an AMD GPU to crossfire, but it can only be so fast. Basically, there is a point where the GPU will actually be slowed down by the APU, I would say an R9 270 would be that point. So you would have to get a card worse then the 270 in order to actually gain FPS through crossfire. Then there is the part where you actually have to use crossfire, which not all games support.

And yes the Athlon I believe is roughly the same CPU speed as the APU.
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Thank you for further clarifying ADHD. Seeing as how i dont plan on using crossfire at all plus I want to use my gtx 260 I was heavily leaning towards your build you posted earlier.

I did have one question about the power supply you listed though. I want to order through NewEgg if possible but it looks like yours is almost 40$ more expensive there. I was wondering if its possible to switch the one you listed with hollywoods?
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Thank you for further clarifying ADHD. Seeing as how i dont plan on using crossfire at all plus I want to use my gtx 260 I was heavily leaning towards your build you posted earlier.

I did have one question about the power supply you listed though. I want to order through NewEgg if possible but it looks like yours is almost 40$ more expensive there. I was wondering if its possible to switch the one you listed with hollywoods?
Its possible but I don't really recommend it. The Earthwatts, though not a great power supply, is better then the CX series from corsair. Just higher quality, you don't want the heart of your build to die out/explode.
If you don't feel comfortable getting it at Mac Mall (I dont blame you), get it from NCIX. Just as trustworthy as Newegg.
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I see. Thanks for the recommendation!
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This should work.

APU+Motherboard Combo($154) - AMD A8-5600K Trinity 3.6GHz + ASUS A78M-A FM2+ AMD A78 (Bolton D3)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1570582

RAM($69) - Team Zeus Red 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313431

Case($30) - Rosewill FBM-01 Dual Fans MicroATX Mini Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147123

PSU($40) - CORSAIR CX series CX430 430W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

Total Price - $300 with shipping included, rebates not included.

That APU also has a few other motherboards it can combo with, such as a gigabyte that costs a 1 dollar more, but the shipping is 3$ cheaper. Or even a biostar board to save a bit more money.

All of them could even be upgraded to Kaveri at a later date, or maybe even the next FM2+ release.

The integrated graphics of the A8-5600K are pretty powerful, AMD likes to call the onboard GPUs "Dedicated Class" which is pretty justified. I'd see how she uses it, and see if she needs the added power of the 260, I assume she will not.

different combos listed below.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1570573

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1571068
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Dual graphics should not even have been brought up here. At the APU level It's a novelty for tinkerers and hardware enthusiasts. Scaling is all but broken (severe frame pacing problems) on anything but Kaveri, which is way out of the price point for this build ($180 CPU). There is absolutely no upside to even consider the dual graphics "path" for such a build, at ALL. Just forget it. Yikes.


Border248,

If you wake up in the middle of the night and your girlfriend is over there at her computer, wide-eyed and tinkering in the BIOS, performance tuning, and generally messing with settings for the sake of seeing what they do. THEN, and ONLY THEN, do you even consider a dual GPU solution. Until that day you should pretend like it doesn't exist as it will only distract you from making the best possible decisions about the hardware going into the machine for the purposes intended. If you are trying to turn your girlfriend ON to the idea of a desktop machine, the LAST thing you want to do is go introducing unnecessary complications like a dual graphics config.

I don't think you had any delusional thoughts about taking it that direction anyway, but I just wanted to clear up how silly it is for anyone to have even brought it up for this build in the first place. It's entirely off topic for the build and has been very inaccurately represented in this thread.


I would probably ditch the GTX260 and do something like this:

CPU + GPU + 4GB RAM COMBO: AMD A8-6600K 3.9GHz + HD 8570D + G.Skill Value 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 ($131 @ Newegg)
I wouldn't use the GTX260 for a number of reasons. While technically speaking, on paper, the GTX260 has more grunt on the bandwidth/ROP side by a LONG shot, that will be pretty much irrelevant for the uses of this system. The more modern GPU architecture in the iGPU will respond faster to changes in load for every-day GPU accelerated interface/interaction functions. The result will be a machine that uses a fraction of the power while actually "feeling" more responsive while scrolling/etc. Low-power states of "old" CPU/GPU generations were slow to respond. Running them in performance mode all the time is an option, but this would result in a machine that idles at ~150W (by my estimates)... which is more than this build proposal would draw under a full load. (using just the APU, total system power (from the wall) at idle will be under 50W.

The A8-Richland is, IMO, the better choice than the A10-Trinity part for this build. Similar clocks at lower voltage on the CPU side will mean less noise spikes coming out of that stock AMD cooler. The differences in iGPU core config will have no tangible effect on this build. (they don't have hardly any effect even on builds that are intended to leverage the iGPU anyway, as there are other constraints).

Motherboard + 4GB RAM COMBO: MSI A88XM-E45 + G.Skill Value 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 ($99 @ Newegg)
A Flagship chipset (for this platform) motherboard with heat-sunk VRMs and all the bells and whistles for whatever the future may bring. A good match to the A8 chip. Free copy of BF4 included with motherboard.

I'd rather have a bare-chip value kit from Gskill, than a "bargain basement off-brand bowels-of-china "high speed"" kit any day. Team RAM isn't exactly known for being high quality. Often those cheap OCZ/Team brand DIMMs are configured as single rank, rather than dual rank to reduce the material cost, which partially defeats the advantages of running 2 DIMMs (ideally in a 2xDIMM config, you want 2 ranks per dim, so that the memory controller can perform both rank and channel interleave).

Case: Rosewill RANGER-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ Amazon)

Power Supply: SeaSonic 360W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Seasonic G series 80+Gold. Need I say more?

Total: $315 SHIPPED no MIRs. $31 in combo savings.

If you absolutely had to get this to $300, use one of the $40 "basic" 350W seasonic PSUs instead.

Well crap nuggets, the RAM is out of stock for this. build. nevermind wink.gif
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Well crap nuggets, the RAM is out of stock for this. build. nevermind wink.gif

No, thanks so much for going into so much detail! I've been looking for a long time to learn more about more about AMD budget builds and everything you said is exactly what i was looking to learn.

Again thanks for all the suggestions guys
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