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No it isn't.

Yes, it is...


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PowerColor uses a custom-engraved version of EK’s FC R9-290X cooler in the Copper/Acetal version. EK still applies its own logo, assuring customers of the quality within. Fittings and locations are compatible with EK’s other parts, including its EK-FC Terminal multi-card cooling links.

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EDIT: Minor edits for clarity and such. No major revisions, my point remains the same.



I don't know if you fellas are aware what "reference" means.

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/powercolor_launches_liquid_cooled_radeon_r9_290x.html

From the site above:
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To ensure ultimate OC setting with stability, the latest graphics solution armed with solid-built "Gold Power Kit" onboard, enabling stable power efficiency even at load.

http://www.powercolor.com/us/News.asp?id=1209

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To remain the OC performance together with higher stability, PowerColor utilizes the exclusive Gold Power Kit at both PCS+ models, including Digital PWM to decrease the ripple and enhance power efficiency; the DirectFET to minimize conduction losses and the Multi Phases Design can enhance power efficiency and stability.

http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/63877-powercolor-announces-amd-r9-290x-liquid-cooling-solution/

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This graphics card also features PowerColor's 'Gold Power Kit' to aid in stability and durability. This kit is composed of; a Digital PWM solution, DirectFET low impedance components and shielded Ferrite Core Chokes.

Reference-layout? Yes. It is NOT however, a reference-level-component board. It is NOT as if PowerColor just popped off that chunky plastic cooler and slapped on a waterblock.

And before you say it, reference-layout isn't the same as a reference-level-component board. Look at the Gigabyte Windforce 290x: Some of the EK 290x waterblocks for the reference cards fit on the Windforce 290x. That means the -LAYOUT- is the same. It is NOT a reference board. This is only one example. Putting low-ohm components and non-reference chokes (cited from hexus.net above) on a board makes the board itself non-reference.
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You know that's marketing right?

The reference PCB uses DirectFETS (IR6894, IR6811) & digital PWM (IR 3567) & Ferrite core chokes (1007R3 , R15) from cooper bussman's coiltronics division.

Biggest difference is on the Sapphire R9 290X Tri-X OC , MSI R9 290X Gaming , Gigabyte Windforce 3X R9 290X is they use the MAGIC R19 / MAGIC R15 (lower profile)/ CEC brand R15 instead of Coiltronics. Gigabyte also ditches the capacitors for tantalum ones. Powercolor PCS+ still uses Coiltronics R15 chokes.
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You know that's marketing right?

The reference PCB uses DirectFETS (IR6894, IR6811) & digital PWM (IR 3567) & Ferrite core chokes (1007R3 , R15) from cooper bussman's coiltronics division.

Biggest difference is on the Sapphire R9 290X Tri-X OC , MSI R9 290X Gaming , Gigabyte Windforce 3X R9 290X is they use the MAGIC R19 / MAGIC R15 (lower profile)/ CEC brand R15 instead of Coiltronics. Gigabyte also ditches the capacitors for tantalum ones. Powercolor PCS+ still uses Coiltronics R15 chokes.
Before you speak your mouth off, tantalum are MUCH more expensive. And better of course. With a air cooler you definitely need lower profile chokes to make room for more heatsink.
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You know that's marketing right?

The reference PCB uses DirectFETS (IR6894, IR6811) & digital PWM (IR 3567) & Ferrite core chokes (1007R3 , R15) from cooper bussman's coiltronics division.

Biggest difference is on the Sapphire R9 290X Tri-X OC , MSI R9 290X Gaming , Gigabyte Windforce 3X R9 290X is they use the MAGIC R19 / MAGIC R15 (lower profile)/ CEC brand R15 instead of Coiltronics. Gigabyte also ditches the capacitors for tantalum ones. Powercolor PCS+ still uses Coiltronics R15 chokes.

I hate to be a stickler, but could you provide a source for this info? I would certainly like to read about this if it is true and I am so severely mistaken.

And IF this is true, doesn't this argue for the case of the ASUS? If the LCS is a close-to-reference-level-component board, then why would you not want to spend less money on a card with likely upgraded components to watercool?
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Great Infor guyz,

I'm also planning on buying an R9 290(non-X) card, as of now I'll have it on whatever stock cooling it comes with and try achieve max OC with it but soon I'll waterblock my CPU/VRM/GPUs. I just want to know which 290 card has best OC ability (less than $600 -> ~Rs.37,000/- in India). I'm eyeing the Tri-X or the Windforce, Idk what's the OC potential of ASUS R9 290 DC2OC! Since you guyz here are talking about board quality and reference vs non-reference here so I thought this is the best place to ask. I guess due to ASUS using Elpida memory, they might not be as good with memory OC as the Tri-X or Windforce (I hope these use Hynix). Also, which card has the the best power delivery?? OK, extend it $650 now...
    
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Great Infor guyz,

I'm also planning on buying an R9 290(non-X) card, as of now I'll have it on whatever stock cooling it comes with and try achieve max OC with it but soon I'll waterblock my CPU/VRM/GPUs. I just want to know which 290 card has best OC ability (less than $600 -> ~Rs.37,000/- in India). I'm eyeing the Tri-X or the Windforce, Idk what's the OC potential of ASUS R9 290 DC2OC! Since you guyz here are talking about board quality and reference vs non-reference here so I thought this is the best place to ask. I guess due to ASUS using Elpida memory, they might not be as good with memory OC as the Tri-X or Windforce (I hope these use Hynix). Also, which card has the the best power delivery?? OK, extend it $650 now...

Unfortunately there is no bullet-proof way of determining which is the best overclocker. You will have some people who got 1200 core stable all day on stock voltage with a ASUS DCU2, and mine wont run any higher than 1100 mhz. Some get the Tri-Xs pushed nearly to 1300, and others say that their Tri-X wont push past 1150 without needing so much voltage that it throttles.

It is ALL dependent on the EXACT Hawaii die that was plopped onto the board of your card. Some will be beasts, others in the exact same box will be dogs. I would do what you are intending already and look for a Hynix-powered 290 so at least you have a 100-300 ceiling on overclocking your memory, and then who knows? You get lucky and get a semi-decent binned 290 chip, and can touch 1200 running warm with 1500 mhz memory, and bench as fast as the 780ti, maybe.

@AlphaC, that is ridiculous information. I will read up and look at this a bit closer, and do some research on my own, and I appreciate the links.
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Hmm Asus use iR 3550 on gpu's?
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Unfortunately there is no bullet-proof way of determining which is the best overclocker. You will have some people who got 1200 core stable all day on stock voltage with a ASUS DCU2, and mine wont run any higher than 1100 mhz. Some get the Tri-Xs pushed nearly to 1300, and others say that their Tri-X wont push past 1150 without needing so much voltage that it throttles.

It is ALL dependent on the EXACT Hawaii die that was plopped onto the board of your card. Some will be beasts, others in the exact same box will be dogs. I would do what you are intending already and look for a Hynix-powered 290 so at least you have a 100-300 ceiling on overclocking your memory, and then who knows? You get lucky and get a semi-decent binned 290 chip, and can touch 1200 running warm with 1500 mhz memory, and bench as fast as the 780ti, maybe.

@AlphaC, that is ridiculous information. I will read up and look at this a bit closer, and do some research on my own, but I appreciate the links.
Yeah, I have to agree with this.

Hey, if GPU binning is that important then Sapphire Toxic has to be the best card, IIRC Sapphire cherry-picks the specially binned GPU chips for their Toxic line-up in order to achieve highest possible clock rates. Some people even say that Hynix was better for old GPUs and elpida is better on today's GPUs due to their wide bus and architecture etc..Idk is it true enough to be digested.

Anyone know the MSRP of MSI R9 290 Lightning (not 290X)??
AFAIK, ASUS Matrix, Sapphire Toxic and MSI Lightning are the best line of cards for overclocking. Of these I guess Sapphire is the best deal (cheaper or reasonable, whatever you prefer)
    
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