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I've got loads of questions. Prepare for incoming wall of text. And I'll apologize first if this is in the wrong section. Feel free to move it if needed.

So I'm somewhat new to high-end computing, been a gamer for years, but always bought, or had systems built. This year I finally built my own gaming rig, and I'm fairly proud of it. Details are in my sig, but overall, pretty easy build, and things went well. So now I'm starting to look into overclocking.

My current processor is and i7 4770K on an Asus Maximus VI Hero mobo. After doing a fair bit of research, my first OC was based off Raja's guide at the Asus website that said "for an easy overclock, just manipulate the core multiplier to 41-43 leaving all other settings at stock. So I've done that, system tests stable, not having any issues. Temps 64-67 under full load with prime95. CPU-Z reports my Vcore at 1.2, but this in on an auto setting in the bios.

1) Reading researching more here, I've found JJ's video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7zPu9255ZI) on overclocking with the Asus boards, and I've read the guide here at OCN for overclocking Haswells, so I decided to do a bit more tinkering. I wanted to try and get 4.3-4.4Ghz, nothing dramatic, but still some improvement, and that is where I'm finding trouble. I can't seem to manually manipulate Vcore. In the video tutorial, JJ recommends using the adaptive voltage setting, but his warning (that is echo'd in the OCN guide) is not to use the adaptive setting with synthetic tests like prime95 to avoid overvolting your cpu. So I get back to the bios, and select the manual setting for the voltage, but it does not give me any place to enter the specific voltage that I would like. It just lets me select manual. So my first issue is how to set manual voltage?

2) Next up, this mobo comes with Asus AI Suite 3. I have not used it, but it appears to allow some overclocking from the OS without going into the BIOS, there are some options there for adjusting voltage. However, I've read some threads that recommend not only not using the AI Suite, but uninstalling it completely so that it does conflict with temp readings from RealTemp. Thoughts? Should I uninstall this program completely? Should I use it?

3) The OCN guide suggest not using the XMP profile while searching for the "sweet spot". But is it acceptable to enable the XMP once you find a stable OC that you are happy with. My current memory kit is 16G (2x8G) G.Skill Ripjaws X series DDR3 1866.

4) CPU-Z lists my Vcore at 1.2 with my current overclock. Mind you, I did not set it there, it is on Auto setting because I can't seem to manually change it. Does that seem a bit high for just 4.2 Ghz?

I'm not trying to set any benchmark records, and at this point I don't have much desire to go above 4.4-4.5Ghz. What I am shooting for is getting the most bang for the buck out of my current setup. I'm looking to put either a Coolermaster Glacer 240L or possibly a Swiftech h220x in there once I see how those are shaping up.

Anyway, if you made it through all that, I thank you heartily. I'm open to any and all advice. And thanks for taking time to help a noob.
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Well I don't know much about Asus's overclocking software but its generally not a good idea to use in-OS overclocking software. Where possible use the bios because there are some things you can't code into an application that you can in a bios.

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Think I might have found an answer to number one on my own.

Once I pick manual for cpu voltage, it will let me put a numeric value in the override box below it. I assume this is correct?
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Think I might have found an answer to number one on my own.

Once I pick manual for cpu voltage, it will let me put a numeric value in the override box below it. I assume this is correct?

 

I would thing so. That's what happens with my motherboard.

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It was late last night as I was working on it. Brain may have needed some extra voltage biggrin.gif
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I have the same board sitting in the box. waiting on some more components. going to attempt to see how high i can OC the same CPU/board combo in a few weeks. I think Darkwizzle's thread covers haswell OC quite nicely. Follow his instructions and you should get somewhere. With an average chip you can get 4.5Ghz with under 1.3Vcore. I'll be interested to see what you find out. Heck, by the time i get my rig built, you should have some good pointers for me using this board.
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I think it was the differences in how the BIOS were shown in the video, and the fact that Dark's guide obviously can't break it down specifically for each board that was throwing me off. That and it was fairly late last night. When I got it sorted this morning. I kicked up the Vcore to 1.22 and the multiplier to 43, did some stress testing and some gaming today. So far seems stable. Temps are reasonable. Stayed in the low-mid 50C range while gaming. 65-66C with prime95.

I'm probably going to keep slowly tinkering to see if I can get a 4.4-4.5Ghz OC with it, but probably won't try any more than that with my current cooler.

Still wondering if I should uninstall that AI Suite 3 though.......

After watching the video that Asus did on the 4-way optimization, they got pretty much a no-sweat 4.8Ghz overclock. Anyone using the AI suite to do their overclock?
Edited by dogdoc1871 - 3/7/14 at 11:55pm
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I think everyone here is going to do it manually. Personally, I won't use AI suite. I was thinking about having it installed for fan control as I will have an H110 with push pull and all 4 fans PWM connected through the mobo's pwm fan header. Do you know if AI suite is good for this purpose?

Regarding your OC and temps: have you considered delidding to keep temps lower? I am going to see how well my chip does with stock TIM and as long as I see voltage headroom I will probably delid. 1.22V ain't bad, again seems like 1.3V is a reasonable ceiling on air but only you will know when you synthetic stress YOUR setup if those temps will be acceptable to you at that voltage. Maybe you get lucky and can get 4.5GHz on much less Vcore.
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The AI suite will let you tinker with all of the individual fan header settings individually, so it would probably work great for controlling your rad fans. My concern though, is whether it is interfering with any of the other monitoring programs etc. I've read somewhere that it was suggested to remove the program entirely, so I don't know if there are some problems that it can create if it is installed and you are only using it for fans etc.
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Personally used for monitoring my temperatures and such. Since then, I had uninstalled it as I no longer need its functions
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