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the second you buy a XFX you have downgraded from the DirectCU2


Really? how come?
post #22 of 36
If you want a performance / extreme version of the 290X there is really no other option (winner) than the Lightning. It is definitely worth more if you are talking about spending money for higher quality better engineered product. That is my two cents worth on that, what is the best card and what is best for your needs and plans are two different things I sure know tongue.gif
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post #23 of 36
In terms of performance, the lightning is not worth it, unless you really want to overclock the nuts off your card on LN2. I can bet my keyboard that the powercolor will overclock just as well and will be just as cool while being smaller and cheaper, if that's of any importance of you. Save your money, buy a powercolor pcs+ like many others have done, unless you really wanna have a lightning then go for it.
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post #24 of 36
The xfx dd & Asus are almost the exact same in core / vrm temps. I have both because I was able to get the Asus used at 550 & xfx new at 450. I also have an HIS reference I just got for 590. The vrm on Asus/xfx gets crazy hot, so much so that I can't use either as my main card, the core is cool on both no issue there. Then I have the reference as my main card with poor core temps but great vrm. I run them at 860mhz stock voltage for the best mining results.

With just one card the Asus or xfx is fine, but as soon as you go 2 or more, temps get crazy. More airflow & cooler ambient only helps so much.
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The xfx dd & Asus are almost the exact same in core / vrm temps. I have both because I was able to get the Asus used at 550 & xfx new at 450. I also have an HIS reference I just got for 590. The vrm on Asus/xfx gets crazy hot, so much so that I can't use either as my main card, the core is cool on both no issue there. Then I have the reference as my main card with poor core temps but great vrm. I run them at 860mhz stock voltage for the best mining results.

With just one card the Asus or xfx is fine, but as soon as you go 2 or more, temps get crazy. More airflow & cooler ambient only helps so much.

Yeah, but it seems with either just one asus or xfx you will still have ridiculous vrm temps which is past the acceptable point.
It seems any other reference or custom pcb card with reference or aftermarket cooler is outperforming these two cards :/

Overclocking an ASUS DCUII on air = good luck with the VRMs not reaching 120C and popping!!! biggrin.gif
  
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post #26 of 36
Honestly, wait for a cooler other than a XFX or ASUS to drop in price to the price range that the XFX or ASUS is at, neither cards are suitable for mining. Try and get a card with Hynix memory (so Tri-X or MSI gaming), they're both good for gaming and mining, the Tri-X probably being the best miner, though I'm sure the Lightning will surpass it, but it does come at a price.

The lightning isn't at all worth it if you aren't going to try and take your card to the limit, stick to one of the cheaper ones. The Tri-X isn't by any means cheap though, it's usually one of the more expensive ones because of its success as a cooler.

If you're going for price, and a 1100MHz core overclock (or possibly lower) that is both good for mining and gaming, get the MSI gaming. The ASUS and XFX are pitiful cooling solutions, paying 20$ more for one that is going to be cooler is worth it in the long run, paying 50$+ for a few heat issues when you don't plan to heavily overclock isn't worth it.

I should mention the PCS+ as an alternative, it's better than the Tri-X as far as temperatures go, though I believe it's louder, and it comes with Elipda memory, so you might not have as good as luck overclocking, and it's likely going to get worse hashrates, but not anything worth worrying about, especially if you can get it at a good price.
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post #27 of 36
Lightning definitely is the best and I didn't buy an R9 290 till now waiting for the Lightning, but what about ASUS Matrix and Sapphire Toxic??
They should be of the same or nearly equal to MSI Lightning, esp Sapphire Toxic, they're great overclockers for a great price

EDIT: I guess ASUS has already announce it's Matrix R9 290X, Sapphire isn't yet ready with it's Toxic R9 290X
    
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Lightning definitely is the best and I didn't buy an R9 290 till now waiting for the Lightning, but what about ASUS Matrix and Sapphire Toxic??
They should be of the same or nearly equal to MSI Lightning, esp Sapphire Toxic, they're great overclockers for a great price

EDIT: I guess ASUS has already announce it's Matrix R9 290X, Sapphire isn't yet ready with it's Toxic R9 290X

indeed, just honestly looks like disappointment for me
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/asus_releases_photos_rog_matrix_r9290x_and_matrix_gtx780_ti.html

i'm seeing nothing but the same design as a DCUII except for the shroud... :/
  
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post #29 of 36
Going to say no here. Sure the Lightning is a top binned card with lots of power phases but and a special OC bios but all of that is meant solely for LN2 overclocking. On air or water for everyday use you're better off saving that money and saving for a second graphics card or whatever you desire.

I'm not knocking the lightning it's just that you're going to be able to squeeze like 5-10% maybe from reference designs when using normal cooling methods.
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Going to say no here. Sure the Lightning is a top binned card with lots of power phases but and a special OC bios but all of that is meant solely for LN2 overclocking. On air or water for everyday use you're better off saving that money and saving for a second graphics card or whatever you desire.

I'm not knocking the lightning it's just that you're going to be able to squeeze like 5-10% maybe from reference designs when using normal cooling methods.

Air cooling and Watercooling isn't the same ballpark.
You can't overclock on air as you would on water, same with water and LN2.
  
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