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Ok, so I think I'm finally coming down to my last order (or two) of water cooling stuff.. and I'm wondering how to connect (22) fans to my FC Touch controller.

Obviously I need some fan splitter cables... Now, I want to run (3) 360s in push pull, along with (4) case fans that I got. So, total of (22) fans... The FC Touch has (6) channels.

How should I configure the controller? I'd imagine the push/pull should all be synchronized, right? So should I run each rad of (6) fans on its own channel? I read that the AP-15s only take .96 amps each, so I'm no where near the 30a/channel...

Then, just run the (4) case fans on their own channel?

Also, which splitters should I buy? Should I get four way splitters, so that I can daisy chain the splitters and run (2) splitters/each channel? Or is there a neater way of doing this? Distribution block? I figure that maybe getting (2) 3 way blocks for each rad might be the cleanest look - less wires running around?

I looked for a 6 splitter, but I can't seem to find one.. I guess the other option is to buy (1) 6 way cable splitter per channel?
Edited by SeanEboy - 3/7/14 at 3:13pm
post #2 of 46
I posted this a while back... maybe something like this? I am running 18 fans on a FC9... only four channels...

http://www.overclock.net/t/1469785/multi-fan-port-mod-for-use-with-fan-controllers
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post #3 of 46
That would depend on the control scheme. Even without a fan controller you could run:

11 voltage controlled 3-pin fans of MoBo CPU PWM header using a Phanteks PCB
11 voltage controlled 3-pin fans of MoBo CPU-OPT PWM header using a 2nd Phanteks PCB

Here's what I am doing ....

MoBo CHA_1 => Phanteks PCB = 6 x Phanteks 140mm SP140s @ 1200 rpm on 420 rad (0.14 amps each)
MoBo CHA_1 => Phanteks PCB = 4 x Phanteks 140mm SP140s @ 1200 rpm on 280 rad (0.14 amps each)
MoBo CHA_1 => Phanteks PCB = 5 x Phanteks 140mm SP140s @ 1200 rpm case fans (0.14 amps each)

But one of ya fans draws more amps than 6 of mine so you can't use the MoBo Chassis headers.

In your case.... with 6 channels, I'd use:

1 Channel for 1st 360
1 Channel for 2nd 360
1 Channel for 3rd 360
1 Channel for Case Fans

Run each lead from the Fan Controller to a PCB of the appropriate type (PWM or Variable voltage control) and connect ya fans accordingly

If the Controller is PWM and Fans Voltage Control, the Phanteks PCB (available as separate accessory at end of this month) would be the choice.

If the Fans and Controller are PWM
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/20988/ele-1196/Swiftech_8-Way_PWM_Cable_Splitter_-_SATA_Power_8W-PWM-SPL-ST.html

If the Fans and Controller are voltage control,
http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g34/c17/s424/list/p1/Bay_Devices-Fan_Controllers-Multi_Fan_Ports-Page1.html
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post #4 of 46
Remember to account for startup current as well. An AP-15 requires .360A at startup. So that's 4.32W at 12V. So you would need about 26W at startup per fan for 6 fans. Luckily the FC Touch is 30W per channel, so each set of 6 radiator fans shouldn't be a problem. Then put the case fans on a fourth channel, or spread them out over the last 3 channels
As for a splitter, you could probably get a MyModToys 4-pin board and just use it as 3-pin instead
Edited by morencyam - 3/7/14 at 5:59pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cgipson1 View Post

I posted this a while back... maybe something like this? I am running 18 fans on a FC9... only four channels...

http://www.overclock.net/t/1469785/multi-fan-port-mod-for-use-with-fan-controllers

That is kind of what I need, except in order to run it off the fan controller, I need 3 pin connectors (and the power to come from the controller, not the PSU). Thanks for the response!

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Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post

That would depend on the control scheme. Even without a fan controller you could run:

11 voltage controlled 3-pin fans of MoBo CPU PWM header using a Phanteks PCB
11 voltage controlled 3-pin fans of MoBo CPU-OPT PWM header using a 2nd Phanteks PCB

Here's what I am doing ....

MoBo CHA_1 => Phanteks PCB = 6 x Phanteks 140mm SP140s @ 1200 rpm on 420 rad (0.14 amps each)
MoBo CHA_1 => Phanteks PCB = 4 x Phanteks 140mm SP140s @ 1200 rpm on 280 rad (0.14 amps each)
MoBo CHA_1 => Phanteks PCB = 5 x Phanteks 140mm SP140s @ 1200 rpm case fans (0.14 amps each)

But one of ya fans draws more amps than 6 of mine so you can't use the MoBo Chassis headers.

In your case.... with 6 channels, I'd use:

1 Channel for 1st 360
1 Channel for 2nd 360
1 Channel for 3rd 360
1 Channel for Case Fans

Run each lead from the Fan Controller to a PCB of the appropriate type (PWM or Variable voltage control) and connect ya fans accordingly

If the Controller is PWM and Fans Voltage Control, the Phanteks PCB (available as separate accessory at end of this month) would be the choice.

If the Fans and Controller are PWM
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/20988/ele-1196/Swiftech_8-Way_PWM_Cable_Splitter_-_SATA_Power_8W-PWM-SPL-ST.html

If the Fans and Controller are voltage control,
http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g34/c17/s424/list/p1/Bay_Devices-Fan_Controllers-Multi_Fan_Ports-Page1.html

Thanks for the response, that's definitely what I need to do...

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Originally Posted by morencyam View Post

Remember to account for startup current as well. An AP-15 requires .360A at startup. So that's 4.32W at 12V. So you would need about 26W at startup per fan for 6 fans. Luckily the FC Touch is 30W per channel, so each set of 6 radiator fans shouldn't be a problem. Then put the case fans on a fourth channel, or spread them out over the last 3 channels
As for a splitter, you could probably get a MyModToys 4-pin board and just use it as 3-pin instead

Hey man, glad you chimed in... I was told to get a 30w, and now I know why. ;c)

In terms of the splitter, I have a feeling that the reason why there are no 6 way 3 pin splitters is because of the amount of power to control (6) fans cannot be done via 3 pin setup.. Thoughts on that? I notice all the larger (8 way, etc) are for 4-pin connectors, and that's what makes me think 3 pins can't do it. Unless, you know what the 4th pin is for in the 4 pin setups... PWM perhaps?
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Power does come from the controller... I just used the extensions that came with the controller to attach to the PC board of the fan ports. A 4-pin connector works fine with a 3-pin plug... you just don't use the PWM pin (#4), only the Ground, 12v, and the RPM sensor wire. These boards only have Ground and power anyway... which is all you have on the controller. (if that makes sense)
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post #7 of 46
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Power does come from the controller... I just used the extensions that came with the controller to attach to the PC board of the fan ports. A 4-pin connector works fine with a 3-pin plug... you just don't use the PWM pin (#4), only the Ground, 12v, and the RPM sensor wire. These boards only have Ground and power anyway... which is all you have on the controller. (if that makes sense)

Perfect sense.. thanks a lot man! Sounds like I need a bunch of these below...

Edited by SeanEboy - 3/7/14 at 8:42pm
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Originally Posted by SeanEboy View Post

Perfect sense.. thanks a lot man! Sounds like I need a bunch of these below...

I have a bunch of those also... and they work very well! I just decided to go with the others because I wanted to make a permanent connection to it.
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I have a bunch of those also... and they work very well! I just decided to go with the others because I wanted to make a permanent connection to it.

Gotcha, yeah I'm ordering (4) of them, with 24" female to females off the end to connect to the controller... I'm trying to think if there's anything else I need... Wondering if I should ditch the red Feser One I bought, and go with something clear...
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Originally Posted by SeanEboy View Post

Gotcha, yeah I'm ordering (4) of them, with 24" female to females off the end to connect to the controller... I'm trying to think if there's anything else I need... Wondering if I should ditch the red Feser One I bought, and go with something clear...

Watch out... FrozenPCU's site is way to easy to spend a lot of money at... I know! lol! We can always find things we "need"... even if we don't!

Got plenty of cable sleeving and heatshrink? Gotta keep things neat and pretty, right? lol! biggrin.gif
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