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When 390 bios was leaked on web a thread on Guru3D started about it. I was drawn to it as when I got my 290X I wanted to mod bios, there was no info out there at the time about bios mod (I don't like SW running in background for say OC). Only ROMs out there were like PT1/PT3 and The Stilt mining ROMs (which not great for gaming,etc due to disabled 50% ROP disabled).

In the Guru3D thread me @DDSZ & @OneB1t got really heavy into bios modding.

I then started a thread completely about bios mod for Hawaii on OCN. We are now at the stage of playing with VRM controller via bios. For example most recent discovery was can make stock ROMs have features like PT1/PT3.

Now we are looking at perhaps MVDDC, only cards like Lightning / Matrix have adjustable via SW, so needed dumps as don't own one.

Sweet! Only thing that really, really drives me crazy about this card is the clock constantly changing in Elder Scrolls: Online. If I set 1100 MHz the actual in game clock will range anywhere from 850-1100 MHz. It makes the frame delivery very jittery, not smooth at all. The game plays more smooth on my 7870 XT and PII X4 955!

Will a bios mod solve that? You tell it to run 1100 MHz and it stays 1100 MHz during gameplay? I don't like using AB's Unofficial OC mode without Powerplay support because I want the card to still downclock at idle.
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Via GPU-Z dump your bios and attach to post, I will see if there is something that may help smile.gif .

An element of "PowerTune" (tech on AMD cards) is that depending on app/gpu loading, etc clocks can go up down.

Recently not been gaming much redface.gif but I can say when I was, in things like GTA IV, Crysis 3 I get flat clocks.

Like this:-



Above was when I had a 290, it's an old screenie. IIRC green line denote launch of GTA IV, blue is when out of menu (ie in-game).

Will do new run on my 290X with my 24/7 1100/1525 ROM using The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim smile.gif .
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Via GPU-Z dump your bios and attach to post, I will see if there is something that may help smile.gif .

An element of "PowerTune" (tech on AMD cards) is that depending on app/gpu loading, etc clocks can go up down.

Recently not been gaming much redface.gif but I can say when I was, in things like GTA IV, Crysis 3 I get flat clocks.

Like this:-



Above was when I had a 290, it's an old screenie. IIRC green line denote launch of GTA IV, blue is when out of menu (ie in-game).

Will do new run on my 290X with my 24/7 1100/1525 ROM using The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim smile.gif .

That's the thing, in newer games that really load the GPU like crazy the clocks stays pretty consistent. Like say BF4 99% of the time it stays 1100MHz with it maybe dropping 5 MHz during an explosion or something. I HATE this feature of powertune.

I edited the BIOS on the 7870XT to remove the TDP throttling (increased TDP limit and set clock/voltage). Ran that thing at 1125MHz 1.2V 24/7 and it still runs that on air to this day. Clocks are rock solid.

This powertune feature really turns ESO into a stuttery mess that I can't stand.

I've got a screenshot from a few months ago actually showing the clock fluctuations. This was in a major town, Grahtwood/Elden Root which a giant tree town and the FPS tanks hard there. This pic shows the clock dropping all the way to 754 MHz! Don't remember what the clock was set to, either 1000 or 1100 MHz. Either way that's a massive drop.

Oh and apparently another user with xfire 290X's that plays ESO, his clocks are rock solid. Apparently this powertune thing doesn't happen with xfire.




This is the regular BIOS. Behavior is the same on the LN2 BIOS.
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What you have as PowerLimit in bios is what I run on my Vapor-X 290X with modded ROM @ 1100 / 1525, I don't add 50% by Overdrive/MSI AB.

I don't have ESO but will try ESV:S (max settings 1080p), sorry for my ignorance but I'm thinking same game engine?
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What you have as PowerLimit in bios is what I run on my Vapor-X 290X with modded ROM @ 1100 / 1525, I don't add 50% by Overdrive/MSI AB.

I don't have ESO but will try ESV:S (max settings 1080p), sorry for ignorance but I'm thinking same game engine?

It shouldn't be TDP related considering I'm using stock voltage or maybe +25mv sometimes. Even at +200 and 1250+ MHz it won't throttle in benches. Not temp related either, card has been on cusotm water day one. Regular temps are 40-55C depending in game, ambient, and the OC.

My understanding is the LN2 BIOS removes all power related restrcitions? This behavior hapens on LN2 BIOS as well.

I really appreciate you taking the time to look at this, something that has been driving me insane since owning this card. Sometimes I wonder if it's just me tongue.gif? My buddy has a 290 (forget the brand but it's a reference card). His is on custom water as well and I believe his clocks fluctuate as well.

Oh and this issue has persisted over different driver versions (crimson and pre-crimson) as well as Win 8.1 and Win 10.
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Do you think that an 850G2 will power two Lightnings?
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Do you think that an 850G2 will power two Lightnings?

I have a 4790K at 4.7 GHz 1.215V, 12 fans, 2 water pumps, and 1 Lightning. Now Corsair Link power readings are not the most accurate coming from an AX860i but it should be at least in the ballpark.

I've never seen the system pull over 550W honestly but I don't push it crazy hard. Typicaly gaming load is 300-400W for me.
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I have a 4790K at 4.7 GHz, tons of fans, 2 water pumps, and 1 Lightning. Now Corsair Link power readings are not the most accurate coming from an AX860i but it should be at least in the ballpark.

I've never seen the system pull over 550W honestly but I don't push it crazy hard. Typicaly gaming load is 300-400W for me.

But you have one Lightning. I have two. I'll just leave them at stock for now until I can get a 1300G2.
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But you have one Lightning. I have two. I'll just leave them at stock for now until I can get a 1300G2.

Exactly, so add another what ,150-200W to those numbers.
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EK XE 480 + EK CoolStream PE 480 10x Phanteks + 2x Cougar Vortex MCP50X + MCP50X Windows 10 Pro 
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ViewSonic VX2250 22" LED Generic HP Corsair AX860i Lian-Li DK-Q2X 
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I really appreciate you taking the time to look at this, something that has been driving me insane since owning this card. Sometimes I wonder if it's just me tongue.gif? My buddy has a 290 (forget the brand but it's a reference card). His is on custom water as well and I believe his clocks fluctuate as well.

No worries, I will be able to test in a hour or so, cooking at present (in a way) smile.gif .

I'm on air, I have added about +44mV to my bios so 1100/1525 is stable.
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Samsung Evo 840 ThermalRight Archon IB-E X2 + 2x TY143 ThermalRight TY-143 2x front case intake Arctic Cooling F12 + 2x F9 as rear case exhaust 
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Win 7 Pro x64 / Win 10 Pro x64 Asus MG279Q Cherry MX-Board 3.0 Cooler Master V850 
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SilverStone TJ06 Logitech G700S 
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