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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

You act like they are just going to completely de-regulate this and allow anyone to do it. You are either completely ignoring, or don't know, that on R/C planes you have to get a licenses to operate them after a certain size and/or frequency.

As with many things, there are rules and regulations that must be followed.
Your argument is about as strawman as the one above it.

Did not know would be the correct answer. I am not arguing against regulation at all. I absolutely think their needs to be rules and not a free for all in airspace.
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Originally Posted by serp777 View Post

This is basically a non-issue. First, millions of drones isn't that big of a number. You have hundreds of millions of people in the U.S. driving cars, and there are tons of accidents all the time anyways. This might be called a disaster, and yet cars aren't banned. That's only on a two dimensional plane, while drones have an extra degree of freedom on the z axis; this allows significantly more drones to fly in the air safely because they can fly at different heights and are much more likely to avoid collisions. This is also a non issue for airline jets, which are vastly larger than a predator drone.

Is there regulation and attempt at control for road vehicles? YES
Is their airspace regulation? YES
Should there be drone regulation? YES
Should they be restricted from the public? No thats just stupid.
post #23 of 37
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Did not know would be the correct answer. I am not arguing against regulation at all. I absolutely think their needs to be rules and not a free for all in airspace.

Oh, there will be rules, that is actually the big thing here.

There currently aren't rules set, so the industry is trying to come together to make those rules.

Who
What
Where
How big
How often

Drones will happen, for a number of reasons. Delivery, Survey, Search and Rescue, News, and Hobby. These are just the uses most people can think of off the top of the heads.

Heck, another use; Law Enforcement putting drones out on Auto pilot using FLIR to search for drug grows. Put drones out on a schedule to fly over and use FLIR products in known drug areas. It is time saving and super cost effective! You don't have to worry about man power, or fuel in a Heli.

Heck, on the deliver note we will see a whole new service in "Same Day Air" over short distances. Need a package sent within 100 miles? Want it that same day? Drone it!
    
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not at this altitude mate...

Not when some idiot decides it would be okay to take a shortcut near an airport. If rules aren't set in place, it'll happen sooner or later. And even with rules, human stupidity is still going to happen.
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Not when some idiot decides it would be okay to take a shortcut near an airport. If rules aren't set in place, it'll happen sooner or later. And even with rules, human stupidity is still going to happen.

Modern airliners are capable of flying on a single engine should one fail.

Using the "some idiot is going to do it" as a reason to not do it is, well putting it nicely, terrible logic. Some idiots drink and drive and kill thousands of people a year, yet we still have vehicles.
    
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As a professional "drone" operator, if I hear the word "drone" one more time I'm going to lose my s%#*. It seems that any RC aircraft with more than 2 rotors is immediately lumped into the category of "scary drones that spy on me in the backyard and will probably fall out of the sky and kill me." This is a technology I continually facepalm when people try to regulate and state opinions about when they know nothing about the tech. I use these "drones" daily in my real estate video productions (done about 40 homes with my custom built aerial platforms) with exactly 0 property damage and technical malfunctions. These kiddies that put together home depot specials with cameras taped to the bottom that go out and cause property damage only to have some moron New York Times reporter sensationalize the story in newspapers giving everyone a false impression of the technology is driving me insane. If they applied the same restrictions they give model airplanes and leave this stuff out of the media it would make people like me very happy.

As far as the Amazon drone delivery, that will never happen for too many reasons to list in this post. They are just trying to ride the drone bandwagon and are unintentionally making life difficult for everyone operating these things responsibly.

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As a professional "drone" operator, if I hear the word "drone" one more time I'm going to lose my s%#*. It seems that any RC aircraft with more than 2 rotors is immediately lumped into the category of "scary drones that spy on me in the backyard and will probably fall out of the sky and kill me." This is a technology I continually facepalm when people try to regulate and state opinions about when they know nothing about the tech. I use these "drones" daily in my real estate video productions (done about 40 homes with my custom built aerial platforms) with exactly 0 property damage and technical malfunctions. These kiddies that put together home depot specials with cameras taped to the bottom that go out and cause property damage only to have some moron New York Times reporter sensationalize the story in newspapers giving everyone a false impression of the technology is driving me insane. If they applied the same restrictions they give model airplanes and leave this stuff out of the media it would make people like me very happy.

As far as the Amazon drone delivery, that will never happen for too many reasons to list in this post. They are just trying to ride the drone bandwagon and are unintentionally making life difficult for everyone operating these things responsibly.

House I shot with my SCARY DRONE 2 days ago:

I can almost promise within the next 5 years we will have the capabilities for something like Amazon's drone delivery to function. Things like graphine super capacitors will allow for ample energy storage, and light weight, for air craft to go fairly long distances compared to now.

The biggest obstacle is fuel/energy to keep them in the air on a delivery run.
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I can almost promise within the next 5 years we will have the capabilities for something like Amazon's drone delivery to function. Things like graphine super capacitors will allow for ample energy storage, and light weight, for air craft to go fairly long distances compared to now.

The biggest obstacle is fuel/energy to keep them in the air on a delivery run.

Flight time is just the first issue. 95% of addresses are undeliverable for a multitude of reasons: GPS accuracy/glitching, apartment buildings, forested areas etc.. Once it reaches a certain height during landing, a flight control algorithm utilizing optical flow would need to take over in order to land properly and safely. The onboard software needs to be perfect to the point it could never clip a prop on anything, never hit anyone, or cause property damage in any way. The moment it screws up it will be immediately overcome by lawyers. These technical hurdles alone make the aircraft, even 5 years down the line, outrageously expensive. These aircraft cannot be operated in bad weather, no flight control system will EVER be able to safely operate in windy conditions at low altitudes. When the aircraft lands all one needs to do is throw a towel on top of it and then it's completely immobilized. On top of all of this, public perception is already completely ruined thanks to the media.

5 years till the flight time hurdle is achieved? I have no doubt its possible with serious R&D money behind it. 5 years till a package is delivered to your door? No way.
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Avoidance AI is going to be a necessity. The worst part is I forsee advertisers taking advantage of commercial drones too. Imagine little flying billboards. ugghh.

There's no AI involved. Drones aren't autonomous, they have pilots.
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Wait. Only the government can be trusted with our own safety? Sure. No. mad.gif
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