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I use Ccleaner and Disk Cleanup every night.

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My buddy told me that running Ccleaner and Disk Cleanup every night on my SSD is a bad idea. I say it's fine. I run both nightly, Disk Cleanup usually gets about 10 MB and Ccleaner usually gets about 100 MB, mostly from Firefox's cache and sometimes from temp files. Here is how the argument went.

Buddy: Dude, bro, u should like totally not run those progz on ur SSD cuz it's like bad and stuff for the life of it! DERP

Me: Let's pretend for a minute that I do not know more than you do about all things in life. If a company released an SSD that could be taken down from a nightly Ccleaner session removing 100 MB, then nobody would buy SSDs. It would take 5+ years for this to have an effect. You know not what you speak my friend.

So yeah, this was our argument verbatim... I actually know as much about SSDs as any DIY PC person. I am not an expert, but I know how stuff works for the most part. I know for a fact that SSDs would not have survived if they were this delicate. So can someone please back me up? Or is this one of those ultra rare times when I am wrong? I like cleaning my temp files and my internet cache, cookies, ect. Clearing cookies once in a while is actually safe because who knows what epic porn sites the other guy... ... was looking at on my PC.

And he also wants me to disable the recycle bin and I like the recycle bin because I empty it once a week and it allows me to browse my files I am about to permanently remove. I know that some picky users say disable it but IMO it is a non issue because I am not deleting 10GB of files a day. And I am not looking to keep this SSD for the next 15 years.
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I run CCleaner like a half dozen times a day so I sure hope it has a negligible impact on SSD lifespan.

But in all seriousness you're right, but your friend isn't necessarily wrong. Will it shorten the lifespan? Yes. Will it be obsolete by the time those tiny file ops matter? Yes.
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I use CCleaner everytime I close my browser which is like 30 time a day. biggrin.gif
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I run mine at least twice a day as well. Haven't noticed any performance loss, and I doubt I will.tongue.gif
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I use CCleaner everytime I close my browser which is like 30 time a day. biggrin.gif

What is the point of doing that? It seems kind of overkill.. Unless I'm missing something here.
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overkill
Ah yes the very essence of OCN.
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I used to run Auslogics Registry Cleaner and CCleaner every day on my SSD. It's still alive and it's been over three years, not to mention it's an OCZ which many people claim as unreliable (not true for their modern drives with newer controllers).



You're fine, just don't defragment an SSD because it doesn't provide any benefit. There have been threads on many technology sites proving that modern SSD's can last through many, many terrabytes to reads and writes with barely any impact on sequential/random performance.
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Well I know not to defrag the SSD tongue.gif

I have an OCZ Vertex 3 and it is the best upgrade I have ever made and I have bought some pretty high end GPUs over the years, none of which change things as much as the SSD has. In fact, I would rather have a mid range GPU with an SSD than have a 780 ti and a regular HDD. And that is precisely what I chose. I chose a Radeon 7870 with an OCZ Vertex 3 120GB instead of buying the GTX 670 last year. And because the SSD was $80 (on sale FTW), I took it upon myself to learn everything that a regular DIYer could learn about them. If I am buying technology, then I learn about the technology otherwise I might be talked into something stupid thinking it was better.
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So basically delete files now, or later, what's the difference? How does deleting them quickly or often create more wear?

Actually in theory, it could go a little both ways, meaning deleting early might cause a bit more wear, or not. Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying it does, or does not, since the level of detail we would need to know is not available to us.

SSDs, or really NAND storage, is divided into pages and blocks, with multiple (many) pages per block. Writes occur at the page level, but NAND deletes/erases occur at the block level. That is basic NAND operation, but all the following is in theory, and simplified.


Let's say one file of one or two pages exists in a block, so the block is mostly empty. We constantly delete files, and the file system sends a TRIM instruction to the SSD, telling it the file is no longer needed. The SSD controller might wait to delete/erase the file, since the block is mostly empty, or it might just do it. Let's say it always deletes/erases the file.

Now let's say we don't constantly delete files, like browser cache. Assume the browser cache files are written to the same block (we can't really know that), so the block is filled or almost filled. We wait a day or two to delete the browser cache, when we do TRIM data is sent for all those files. Now the SSD deletes/erases multiple files in the block in one block erase operation.

If we deleted the browser cache multiple times a day, then a block erase happens multiple times, if we wait, it happens once. If we do that over a long period of time (months, years), that is more wear on the NAND. Not much, but it happened.

OTOH, keeping files around longer could (recall in theory) cause more wear. Say the SSD is doing GC, and wants to erase a block, but one or more files from the browser cache are in that block. So those files must be moved (read and written) to another block before the target block can be erased. Shuffling of files like this can happen to varying degrees, and potentially unneeded data is moved around until it is really deleted by the user.

So what is "worse", mostly empty block erases, or delaying deleting unneeded files, that might be moved around and preserved when they are really not valuable? IMO, the latter is, since it involves write operations, while a block erase is equal to 1/2 of a write. So IMO don't worry about deleting files a lot, but doing so more than once a day is excessive and borderline OCD. tongue.gif Unless of course your SSD is filled to near its capacity, which needs intervention other than temporary file deletion.

But all this is really nitpicking about a notion that we really should be getting away from, the fear of wearing out NAND. That myth has permeated SSD "knowledge" to deeply, and needs to be removed for the most part.
post #10 of 16
There is no problem with deleting garbage file and browsing history with CCleaner,but there is problem with wiping free space on C:drive ,whice is enable buy default on CCleaner,and I don't know does it run everytime when we press "RUN CLEANER".
Did you disable that in Settings?

Like always parces is detail to the bone thumb.gif
parsec man ,I would like to speak to you in person ,you know like face to face about GB-ts,MDX 400mhz and when we would hit 1ghz,will that help 4k reads?is there any chance you are coming to Hvar biggrin.gif ?
Edited by Unit Igor - 3/7/14 at 11:07pm
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