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post #11 of 23
FX is the branding name smile.gif it just means "AMD's performance products" and everything comes under it in the FX series, from the FX-4000 - FX-8000 series. Which is their socket AM3+

It's their processors. Like they have their other line called "APUs" or accelerated processor units, the A-series (for CPU+onboard GPU) which is their socket FM2-FM2+.

Bulldozer and Piledriver are a part of FX yeah. Although we all tend to say "forget bulldozer" because it wasn't that good.


Intel has their I3, I5 and I7s (socket 1155 and 1150), AMD has their FX-4300, FX-6300 and FX-8300 series (socket AM3+).

Intel has their Xeons for servers, AMD has their Opterons
post #12 of 23
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FX is the series.
much like "core" is to intel.
and phenom were to AMD previously.
bulldozer and piledriver both have FX parts, but bulldozer and piledriver refer to architecture changes and revisions.
there are also bulldozer and piledriver cores found within A series parts from AMD.

and to compare to intel again...in the core series you have sandy bridge parts, ivy bridge, haswell, etc.
all fall under the core name.

why in gods name do the companies make these naming schemes so complicated and hard?

my god ...... its like they do it on purpose.

well, im going to bookmark this page as reference for the future.

and last question,
what is kaveri? is it like bulldozer and piledriver? where it part of FX series with some revisions?
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post #13 of 23
Kaveri is based on Steamroller smile.gif it's their new APUs (A-series) for computational work and graphical purposes (onboard GPU).

Richland was the previous APU from AMD which was based on Piledriver.


The main difference between the FX series and APU series is that APU's have graphics cores onboard the chip (hence needs a different socket and platform - FM2+). FXs are CPU only, so they need discrete graphics card smile.gif


As one person said, Bulldozer, Piledriver is just the core architecture, bit like Ivy and Haswell
post #14 of 23
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how does that happen? lol

how come a 4xxx isnt haswell? was that released before haswell was out?

because it would make sense TO ME if the 4960x isnt called haswell, even if it is 4th gen, if its using ivy bride architecture.

and the G3430 called a haswell because its using 4th gen haswel tech.
(which i am assuming?? since its given those specific code names?)

The LGA2011 4-xxx parts are not Haswell because the LGA2011 platform is a gen behind mainstream, but intel wanted to keep naming scheme "clear" in that they were supposed to be superior CPU's

etc 3930k is 6-core, sandy bridge.. 3770k on desktop was ivy bridge so a bit better singlethreaded performance, but 3930k was the enthusiast part. They brought 4930k (ivy bridge) after the 4770k, likewise, which is their mainstream part that they want it to appear superior to (even though trades blows, depending on usage, particularly in low-threaded aps that can't utilize a fifth and six core very well or stuff like the extra memory bandwidth and cache, while benefitting from IPC and raw cache speed on haswell for example)
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post #15 of 23
Athlon II and Phenom II (mostly Athlon does not have L3 cache, though neither do APUs) are K10 architechture. ONE CORE ONE THREAD.
FX uses one module=2cores=2threads(mostly, cores cannot share all functions). This is the Bulldozer/Piledriver architechture. Start about 2011. K10 went EOL "End of Life" no more production.
K10 is AM3, FX is AM3+
Piledriver reduced power consumption and increased performance of FX architechture. Note AMD FX-9XXX chips are the "best" binned FX-8XXX chips, guaranteed high clocks.

Bulldozer was introduced at high price and less than expected performance and a power/heat penalty.
Piledrive has much better pricing, reasonable performance and less heat.
Intel has much better single thread performance, AMD module outperform hyperthreading in most multithread applications, though more code is being written to use hyperthreading.
post #16 of 23
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thx guys,

another quick question, (slightly off topic but still about amd)

for these APU's, such as A8 and A10,

what integrated gpu do they use exactly?

when i do research, it just says "radeon R7 series"

arent there a couple R7 models?


EDIT: also is the radeon HD 7870 better than the integraded GPU's in them?
Edited by IMKR - 3/9/14 at 3:38pm
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post #17 of 23
r7/r9 -200 series is basically (and often literally) the same stuff from 7000 series, if you look at a few spec numbers you can guesstimate performance:

A10 7850k (the flagship kaveri APU) has 512 gcn cores, but has to clock them somewhat lower and use a ddr3 memory interface that's shared for CPU and GPU

7770 has 640 cores, can clock a bit more freely with its own die and cooler etc, has onboard gddr5 memory (which is more optimized for bandwidth than the latency that a CPU requires and ddr3 must have) giving it ~3-5x+ more memory bandwidth, which is important for a GPU. This increases performance some.

A 7870 has 1280 cores and a GDDR5 memory bus that's twice as wide, doubling bandwidth again. You can pretty freely say that it would outperform a 7850k by like three times, +- a decent margin for guessing performance.
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post #18 of 23
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Sorry guys, pulling up my old thread biggrin.gif

whats the differences between the athlon series?

like theres athlon, athlon ii, athlon x4, and all that.
are they all one series? or just reusing the name?

whats the newest athlon series thats relevant?
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post #19 of 23
Athlon is always the downed variant. However Athlon 64 and Athlon were very old chips made on the AM2 platform.

Athlon II is an AM2+ platform, but can be used on AM3+. That's an old series. Doesn't have any L3 cache and can be considered a rubbish Phenom basically biggrin.gif it's cheaper.

Athlon X4, the newer ones, are Piledriver based chips, so they are essentially an A10-6700 without the iGPU onboard. They fused off the graphics portion because it was unstable so CPU wise it's essentially the same chip. These newer Athlons are a bit different to previous ones as they are now an APU just without the iGPU onboard biggrin.gif
post #20 of 23
Current Athlons are FM2. APUs with the video function turned off.
Athlon II were lower priced than the Phenom II chips. X2, X3, X4 denoted the number of cores. An Athlon II X3 was a popular inexpensive gaming choice.
Could be overclocked and might unlock to a 4 core chip.
There were low energy variants like the Athlon II X2 240e (45 watt instead of 65 watt). Athlons were popular with budget builders, and prebuilt companies. Built an Athlon II X3 440 somewhere around 2008? on a 785 motherboard (DDR2?).
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