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It's often been said that both next-gen consoles are effectively based on mid-range PC technology, and as our recent tests indicate, matching or even exceeding current Xbox One or PS4 performance with modest PC components doesn't seem to be too difficult. But can we go one better? Can we build a PC that provides a quantifiably better, truly transformative experience? And can we do it at with a competitive budget?

Their £449.70 PC, with an FX-6300 and GTX 760 is noticeably more powerful than both of the "next-gen" consoles, giving better FPS at higher resolutions/settings than the PS4 or XBOne.





Full Article: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-the-next-gen-digital-foundry-pc
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I'm glad they made this article. It's disappointing how much ignorance is out there, with many people claiming you need to spend thousands on a PC or else you won't be able to run games at all.

So for a similar price, you can build a PC and get similar performance (worst case scenario), with the much wider selection of exclusives of PC, mouse and keyboard support, and with far more image quality options. It's funny how PS4/XBOX One games still usually lack AA.
Edited by boredgunner - 3/8/14 at 2:01pm
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TBH I was a bit surprised. Seeing all that was done on last gen consoles, I was expecting a bit more raw performance with low level coding factored in.

In poorly optimized titles the 6300+760 combo still offers a roughly equivalent experience, and in well optimized games it walks over both consoles fairly easily. This is about as apples-to-apples as we can get atm.
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This is really handy info for those who are trying to convert cheaply from a console onto an affordable gaming PC.
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I don't care for these articles. So short sighted. Yes this system will play this years games very well as devs are still learning to code on the new consoles. Years down the line they will have bleed all the perfomance for the this gen.

At that time that PC listed will not play games for crap as tech has moved on.

Point in case. Try getting a rig from 2006 to play a game like the last of us looking as good as it does. I don't think so
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I don't care for these articles. So short sighted. Yes this system will play this years games very well as devs are still learning to code on the new consoles. Years down the line they will have bleed all the perfomance for the this gen.

At that time that PC listed will not play games for crap as tech has moved on.
Eh, I don't think it's realistic to expect the same kinds of gains devs made with the last gen consoles. A large part of the reason it took so long to reach the full potential of those platforms was the cutting-edge (at the time), custom PowerPC architecture. These consoles are x86, which most devs are already very familiar with, and aside from XBOne's eSRAM, they're fairly straight forward to program for. There's simply not much left to "unlock" so to speak.
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Point in case. Try getting a rig from 2006 to play a game like the last of us looking as good as it does. I don't think so
It's also worth noting, the last gen consoles were actually ahead of top end PCs at the time of release. This time around they're not even close.
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Consoles may have caught up in terms of technological capabilities, but there's always new breakthroughs being made for PC gaming in terms of hardware and in the software. A year from now, Amd's Mantle is going to be very well optimized by then, and will more than likely support alot more Radeon HD series cards. The only thing still slightly appealing in a console nowadays is the exclusives, but even then, they are extremely mediocre and cringe worthy all the way through.
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I don't care for these articles. So short sighted. Yes this system will play this years games very well as devs are still learning to code on the new consoles. Years down the line they will have bleed all the perfomance for the this gen.

At that time that PC listed will not play games for crap as tech has moved on.

Point in case. Try getting a rig from 2006 to play a game like the last of us looking as good as it does. I don't think so

Eh, I don't think it's realistic to expect the same kinds of gains devs made with the last gen consoles. A large part of the reason it took so long to reach the full potential of those platforms was the cutting-edge (at the time), custom PowerPC architecture. These consoles are x86, which most devs are already very familiar with, and aside from XBOne's eSRAM, they're fairly straight forward to program for. There's simply not much left to "unlock" so to speak.
It's also worth noting, the last gen consoles were actually ahead of top end PCs at the time of release. This time around they're not even close.


Actually I'm fairly sure you could in fact run The last of us on an 2006 rig assuming it was ported over correctly. A fast core2duo + 8800 GTX card is more then capable of doing anything and everything the PS3 could. Yes its an high end rig but like Booty Warrior points out the PS3 was on the very bleeding edge when it came out and wasn't exactly cheap either.

I don't even get why people rave about that game. It really doesn't look all that great. Sure it has some good art/animation/acting in it but form an technical stand point its nothing special.
    
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I don't care for these articles. So short sighted. Yes this system will play this years games very well as devs are still learning to code on the new consoles. Years down the line they will have bleed all the perfomance for the this gen.

At that time that PC listed will not play games for crap as tech has moved on.

Point in case. Try getting a rig from 2006 to play a game like the last of us looking as good as it does. I don't think so

I'm not sure why people say that consoles will last you for many years, but for PC you need to upgrade every few years !!

Last generation consoles (PS3, xbox 360) can play modern games but most of these games run on 720p, low (or sub low) settings and 30fps (with a lot of drops below that). Modern integrated GPU or old high-end GPU from 6 or 7 years can still play those games at same or sometimes better settings than these outdated consoles

Do you know that Geforce 8 & 9 series can play most modern games like Battlefield 4 ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCYtqY9A9WY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtXRKUj_fGc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O44D9SbEF9k
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The article is still off a tad. I managed to build a PC just a month or so ago for $484. It had a GTX 650ti, AMD Hex Core Vishera, MSI G43 Mobo,4GB Patriot Viper DDR3 @1800Mhz, 500GB HDD, Seasonic S12II 520W PSU, and TT V3 Case. Great PC, capable of running Metro Last Light maxed out with no AA at 1920x1080, among many other games, Metro being the most demanding. The PC in the video added up to $750 roughly. Which is still a good price, but that PC I just build is proof that you can build a powerful mid-range PC for LESS THAN the price of an Xbox One. Which is pretty hilarious if you ask me.

It's funny though, most console gamers will simply deny this proof. Or say that PC setup is probably inferior to the Xbox One, which definitely is not the case. I'd reckon it's a good bit more powerful than the Xbox One.
More humor can always be found in statements of having to spend $3000 on a PC and having to upgrade every time a new game comes out or every year. It's all so ignorant.

Personally I was shocked to find I could build a nice PC(and honestly it really is nice and powerful) for under $500. I often use that PC build in arguments for PC Gaming whenever I see one arise on the internet. thumb.gif
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