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What's the point in having a comparable experience? Anyone who is that serious about researching their parts, and going through all the trials and tribulations of setting it all up (compared to the plug and play finesse of a console) to play on a PC is more than likely serious enough about gaming to want a better experience. The chances are a sub par PC build, that barely scrapes it's way past playing games of today, would require upgrading in a year or two increasing the cost further.

Whatever floats people's boats I guess. I own a Xbox One and a decent PC so I can have the best of both experiences.
 


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The article is still off a tad. I managed to build a PC just a month or so ago for $484. It had a GTX 650ti, AMD Hex Core Vishera, MSI G43 Mobo,4GB Patriot Viper DDR3 @1800Mhz, 500GB HDD, Seasonic S12II 520W PSU, and TT V3 Case. Great PC, capable of running Metro Last Light maxed out with no AA at 1920x1080, among many other games, Metro being the most demanding. The PC in the video added up to $750 roughly. Which is still a good price, but that PC I just build is proof that you can build a powerful mid-range PC for LESS THAN the price of an Xbox One. Which is pretty hilarious if you ask me.

It's funny though, most console gamers will simply deny this proof. Or say that PC setup is probably inferior to the Xbox One, which definitely is not the case. I'd reckon it's a good bit more powerful than the Xbox One.
More humor can always be found in statements of having to spend $3000 on a PC and having to upgrade every time a new game comes out or every year. It's all so ignorant.

Personally I was shocked to find I could build a nice PC(and honestly it really is nice and powerful) for under $500. I often use that PC build in arguments for PC Gaming whenever I see one arise on the internet. thumb.gif

The article isn't off, maxed out your 650ti won't run metro @ 60fps note that they're chasing 60fps @ 1080p. Alot of PC guys are basing this argument on the XB1 only, I'm still looking for the $400.00 USD (brand new) machine that can beat the PS4.
I personally wouldnt be comfortable with a start up PC coming in under 1k and update my GPU every 2-3 years... People keep talking $$$ like it's the only thing that matters I love the pop in a go effect of consoles, I love the multi-button capability of my PC, neither is "superior" for me both bring hours of enjoyment.

Edit: the Eurogamer PC cost £500 (~700usd)
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The article isn't off, maxed out your 650ti won't run metro @ 60fps note that they're chasing 60fps @ 1080p. Alot of PC guys are basing this argument on the XB1 only, I'm still looking for the $400.00 USD (brand new) machine that can beat the PS4.
I personally wouldnt be comfortable with a start up PC coming in under 1k and update my GPU every 2-3 years... People keep talking $$$ like it's the only thing that matters I love the pop in a go effect of consoles, I love the multi-button capability of my PC, neither is "superior" for me both bring hours of enjoyment.

Edit: the Eurogamer PC cost £500 (~700usd)

I built the computer and ran many games on it. It DOES run Metro Last Light at 1080p, maxed out almost fully. It just doesn't run AA and I keep Tesselation on Normal, but I don't even run it's ingame AA methods on my 780ti because they're super demanding. Thankfully at 1440p the Aliasing in Metro is actually almost completely unnoticeable.

Even at 1080p the Aliasing isn't bad when turned completely off. It seems to run some low end AA method even if AA is off.
Most of the time it is at 60 FPS too, it drops occasionally but that's better than most console games being at 30 FPS and still dropping into the 20s.

There likely isn't a PC that you can build for $400 that will beat PS4 in every way. But for $84 more you get a powerful PC(that IS more powerful than both PS4 and XB1), with all the benefits of PC and unlike a console it's not just for gaming, it's a computer. Where you do everything.

Money is a big factor in many console gamers minds, they see that as one of the biggest arguments for console gaming. It's constantly brought up that for PC you must spend 3k and upgrade yearly. Clearly money is one of the biggest misconceptions revolving around PC gaming. Despite what you feel comfortable with, that $484 PC I build WILL last for quite a while, it will be running the majority of upcoming games maxed out at 1080p for years. Unlike the ALREADY outdated "Next Gen" consoles, it has the ability to be upgraded if you wish to do so. That's one of the main benefits of PC Gaming, but many ignorant console fools see it as a downside. We're not stuck with the same outdated hardware for 8+ years. If we want to run a game maxed out, we can just upgrade our PC and there you go. Console gamers will always have to settle with medium-low settings at increasingly subpar resolutions(won't be long before 1080p is the new 720p).
PC is clearly superior in every way. It's superior for gaming and doesn't have any more complexities than console especially if you're using Steam. An error here and there may take a bit of troubleshooting but it's not so bad to have to use your brain to figure something out. Again, like I said before, PC isn't just a gaming machine. It's a do everything machine, and a powerful one will only cost you $484, less than that of a "Next Gen" Xbox One.
Edited by Enad1 - 3/9/14 at 11:14am
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The article isn't off, maxed out your 650ti won't run metro @ 60fps note that they're chasing 60fps @ 1080p. Alot of PC guys are basing this argument on the XB1 only, I'm still looking for the $400.00 USD (brand new) machine that can beat the PS4.
I personally wouldnt be comfortable with a start up PC coming in under 1k and update my GPU every 2-3 years... People keep talking $$$ like it's the only thing that matters I love the pop in a go effect of consoles, I love the multi-button capability of my PC, neither is "superior" for me both bring hours of enjoyment.

Edit: the Eurogamer PC cost £500 (~700usd)

They are chasing 1080p 60FPS with comparable or better fidelity compared to console games not maxing games. That's a very important distinction. Its an more expensive machine that offers an better experience. In essence the point they are trying to make is you can pay £350 to play BF4 at 900p ~60FPS or pay £500 to play it in 1080p 60FPS (well closer to 60 then the PS4) but at the same time they also consed the fact in the case of tomb raider the PS4 version could be considered better. Then again they are comparing vanilla TB to the definitive edition and if definitive edition is made available on PC then that argument may no longer hold water (speculation I know but IMO something to consider).

I'm not sure why people keep making the "update my GPU every 2-3 years" argument as it is not true. You don't have to upgrade your GPU as the games will run on +3 years old hardware. You make the choice to upgrade. Really why do people keep talking about that option like its a bad thing. You can spend $200-400 on a new GPU every now and again to get the latest and greatest graphics features or you may run games with some more toned down settings that the older hardware can handle. You don't have to max a game to play it.

I do agree that money really is less of an factor then its made out to be here on OCN but then again that "pop in a go effect" that you say consoles have is not so much there as it used to be. Tell me, what PS4/XBONE game can you play with out an installation?
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The notes at the end are especially relevant. They point out that in good portion of the games they looked at it was possible to get 60 fps at 1440p without sweating too hard over it at comparable or better gfx settings. With the PS4 and XBOne I was especially disappointed that they specifically mentioned that 4K gaming is not supported and it is only for "media consumption". I know that at least 7870 can run graphically not very intensive stuff easily at 4K resolutions at above 60 fps. For example, the Source engine (of which, for example also Titan-fall uses, although probably with some beefing up and modifications as its old DX9 engine after-all).
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They are chasing 1080p 60FPS with comparable or better fidelity compared to console games not maxing games. That's a very important distinction. Its an more expensive machine that offers an better experience. In essence the point they are trying to make is you can pay £350 to play BF4 at 900p ~60FPS or pay £500 to play it in 1080p 60FPS (well closer to 60 then the PS4) but at the same time they also consed the fact in the case of tomb raider the PS4 version could be considered better. Then again they are comparing vanilla TB to the definitive edition and if definitive edition is made available on PC then that argument may no longer hold water (speculation I know but IMO something to consider).

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I do agree that money really is less of an factor then its made out to be here on OCN but then again that "pop in a go effect" that you say consoles have is not so much there as it used to be. Tell me, what PS4/XBONE game can you play with out an installation?

Huh? The Ps4 held 60fps in bf4 better than the pc according to the video, I am aware the pc is at a higher resolution but I think it would have to be lowered to match the ps4s resolution to get as steady or higher.
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Huh? The Ps4 held 60fps in bf4 better than the pc according to the video, I am aware the pc is at a higher resolution but I think it would have to be lowered to match the ps4s resolution to get as steady or higher.

Read the article again. The GTX 760 achieved better frame rates then the PS4

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The results show that we achieve a comprehensive improvement over the PlayStation 4 standard. We keep our 44 per cent resolution increase, and frame-rates exceed the Sony console, usually hitting our preferred 60fps, though we do see drops in some of the more battering set-pieces.

But it's in multiplayer where the advantage truly becomes evident. In 64-player battle, we were delighted to enjoy a mostly locked 60fps across a whole afternoon's play - the only notable drop being a sustained 45fps when we climbed a mountain and looked down upon a major skirmish unfolding before our eyes involving many players. Thankfully, this was the exception, not the norm, but it was perhaps the most spectacular moment in gaming we've enjoyed this year and testament to the ambition of the game.

That fact is also clearly demonstrated in the FPS comparison video.
    
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Read the article again. The GTX 760 achieved better frame rates then the PS4
That fact is also clearly demonstrated in the FPS comparison video.
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I was looking at the first video with all the games... I stand corrected
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