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On my phone atm or I'd give you a huge list, but basically this board gave me everything I could ever want for hardcore overclocking and gaming. I'll post more when I get home. My favorite feature so far is the extreme power delivery.
Thanks, Ill be looking forward to that list.
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Have had a ROG board in the past and it performed fine so intially I was just looking for that when I came across the Rampage IV Black, but browsing around more I found the MSI with downsides that arent obvious to me and half the cost. Can you elaborate on what exactly you mean with the last sentence?

Most manufacturers did not bother tuning BIOS for LGA2011, so even with great hardware like Gigabyte's UP series with PowerStages, they are just bad for overclocking. Asus ROG (excluding Black) VRM just overheats due to power consumption of LGA2011 CPUs without some active cooling.

MSI VRM should be on the level with a but worse than Asus RIVF, but then the main question is how good is the BIOS.

[I believe Asus used better (?) NextFETs for Black board which should stay cooler. Actually it seems it's the same VRM as regular RIVE but with better chocks.

So my personal opinion of X79 is that you either go big ( RIVE B + Hexa-core), or don't bother at all. And it's also hardly worth it price/performance wise unless you really need extra performance no matter the cost.
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Most manufacturers did not bother tuning BIOS for LGA2011, so even with great hardware like Gigabyte's UP series with PowerStages, they are just bad for overclocking. Asus ROG (excluding Black) VRM just overheats due to power consumption of LGA2011 CPUs without some active cooling.

MSI VRM should be on the level]with a but worse than Asus RIVF, but then the main question is how good is the BIOS.

I believe Asus used better (?) NextFETs for Black board which should stay cooler.

So my personal opinion of X79 is that you either go big ( RIVE B + Hexa-core), or don't bother at all. And it's also hardly worth it price/performance wise unless you really need extra performance no matter the cost.

I was planning to purchase an EK water cooling kit for the Black if I got it, but with that knowledge if I dont end up getting the black maybe I will look into getting another factor. Which are you endorsing atm?
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You mean socket?

For gaming there is no reason to get anything but Haswell (LGA1150) atm. Maybe only for multi-monitor setups there is use for more cores and etc. It's way cheaper, and a lot of nice choices for I think roughly at least 66% of performance LGA2011 systems offer (assuming perfect multi-thread scaling which won't happen).
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The GD45 plus just lacks the extras the RIVE has.

The RIVE has: DrDebug LED, newer audio codec and an amp, more slots and plugs and integrated peripherals (quad sli/cfx, sata, wifi). It's also a little wider than typical atx boards.

The GD45 misses the extras the RIVE has. It just has the x79 peripherals, USB3, Intel lan, a ps/2 port, a COM port and one additional digital audio output connector. No other extra peripherals. It can also do just triple sli/cfx.


Both boards can take high overclocks and with Ivy-Bridge E processors the VRM on both won't really reach its limit if you put a fan above it (or a water block in case of diy water cooling).

The VRM on the GD45 is just a bit more protected (the PWM turns the transistors off if they are overloaded and in the really tiny chance it doesn't, the transistors turn themselves off if overloaded) than on the RIVE (the PWM turns the transistors off if they are overloaded).

The PWM on the RIVE is digital, thus offering more control to the user, while sacrificing some efficiency. On the GD45 you have a hybrid PWM with less control but the board consumes less power. As such the RIVE might be able to handle slightly higher overclocks (100-200MHz) than the GD45 depending on the processor batch, the weather and other natural or not so natural factors.


Software and support wise both companies offer similarly high care to their products and the end users. Asus is just a bit faster and reliable on software support than MSI (faster responses, faster software/BIOS fixes), but MSI is a bit more reliable on the RMA department (close to a "no questions asked" return policy).


Those are more or less the differences. It's up to the OP now.
post #16 of 23
My Vote goes for the GD45

From what I'm hearing, OP mainly wants to game and maybe attempt some basic overclocking. The extra money that he would spend on the R4BE could be better spent elsewhere, like Cooling or a better video card, not little gimmicks he/she is only going to use once maybe twice.

However, it would help if OP went a little more in depth as to what he wants. I.E. What Chip, Cooling, what Video Card(s) etc.
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I paid $320 for my sabertooth x79 (came from a MAXIMUS VI Extreme and 4770k) my first sabertooth and it will certianlly not be my last now, it was plenty get my 3930k to 5ghz stable with 1.5v my only complaint is the color scheme, its nice, but didn't match my theme like the ROG boards do, but spending $500 for the RIVE BE which was my dream board was abit silly for me.

The ROG boards have more settings for overclocking then anyone in the world, im sure the ASUS employee's don't even understand.

EDIT: im a gamer that does benchmarking sometimes, but mostly plays games and thats the main reason i didn't go all out and get the RIVE or the Black edition, it seemed like to much for me. I did look into the MSI and gigabyte models, but i got scared off when i read some reviews that said they didn't overclock well, and i had bought a "binned" 3930k that was suppost to overclock great.
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Get a 4770k instead if you're just gaming..
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i vote for RIVE and RIVE black

otherwise sabertooth is a good buy as well considering it just has lesser power phases and pci-e slots and it doesnt have the ROG stuff
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The GD45 plus just lacks the extras the RIVE has.

The RIVE has: DrDebug LED, newer audio codec and an amp, more slots and plugs and integrated peripherals (quad sli/cfx, sata, wifi). It's also a little wider than typical atx boards.

The GD45 misses the extras the RIVE has. It just has the x79 peripherals, USB3, Intel lan, a ps/2 port, a COM port and one additional digital audio output connector. No other extra peripherals. It can also do just triple sli/cfx.


Both boards can take high overclocks and with Ivy-Bridge E processors the VRM on both won't really reach its limit if you put a fan above it (or a water block in case of diy water cooling).

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Those are more or less the differences. It's up to the OP now.

Thank you, very thorough and easily understandable.
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