I have an M5A99FX Pro R2.0. This board only has a 6+2 VRM phase. Now, if I get a Sabertooth or a C5F-Z, I'll have an 8+2 phase VRM, which would be better for OC. But is it worth upgrading to the Sabertooth or C5F-Z?
M5A99Fx is a pretty solid mobo a lot of people around OCN have there 8320 @ 4.5 ghz
i would have to agree with psu and cooling, but this board can handle the 9000 series chips, albeit the headroom to overclock them may be less than a sabertooth or a rog board, this board can handle them with just a bios update to at least 1903. the only thing the cpu support page says is just special consideration for cooling.
I think it will take more than $100 to keep the 9XXX cool on a full load. My 9370 will overwhelm a 240 mm clc at stock speeds and voltages in prime 95. You can undevolt it a bit and make it run slightly cooler but it's one hot momma.Originally Posted by Ultra-m-a-n
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i would have to agree with psu and cooling, but this board can handle the 9000 series chips, albeit the headroom to overclock them may be less than a sabertooth or a rog board, this board can handle them with just a bios update to at least 1903. the only thing the cpu support page says is just special consideration for cooling.
but if you want to pay a premium for peace of mind and to have a higher quality board, than yeah an upgrade might warranted.
the real question is that should the OP even buy a 9590.... to get a higher binned chip to overclock it as much as it can go, on this board and considering the price to performance of this vs a decent 8350 may not be worth it...
at best you should probably run these chips at stock on the 990fx pro, and a much better cooling solution is needed to even run these chips in the first place. and i do see that he is already running the 8320, so the differences may not even be night and day, just a speed bump without the silicon lottery.
anyways i digress, a better psu and cooling is most definitely needed, whereas motherboard may not be. and the OP has to answer within himself is getting this cpu even worth it as it is currently $334 on amazon.... if clock speed and binning is worth that much to you and the premium price is not an issue, then fine its his money and he can do as he pleases. but consider getting the 9370 because it is $100 dollars cheaper and should be binned higher than a run of the mill 8350, and the $100 can be put to cooling this hot chip down.
oh definitely i agree! i meant put it towards cooling the chip! i am under no illusions that you can slap a clc on here and it will be perfectly fine.Originally Posted by cssorkinman
I think it will take more than $100 to keep the 9XXX cool on a full load. My 9370 will overwhelm a 240 mm clc at stock speeds and voltages in prime 95. You can undevolt it a bit and make it run slightly cooler but it's one hot momma.
Honestly, unless you want to invest a lot of money, I'd stick to the 8320 if I were you . I think anything less than the crosshair or sabre is asking for a dead board , just my 2 cents. The vrm's on my CHV-Z get too hot to touch if you really clock up the 9370.
Here is my 9370 priming at 5 ghz on a 480 mm custom loop with a koolance 380A, 3/4 inch od tubing and a horse of a pump.
The 9370 is absolutely stable at higher clocks than the 8XXX are, and at less voltage but it does so with a huge heat penalty. Also they are finicky, and tuning one is harder than the 8xxx's ( ive had 4 , currently have 2).Originally Posted by Ultra-m-a-n
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oh definitely i agree! i meant put it towards cooling the chip! i am under no illusions that you can slap a clc on here and it will be perfectly fine.Originally Posted by cssorkinman
I think it will take more than $100 to keep the 9XXX cool on a full load. My 9370 will overwhelm a 240 mm clc at stock speeds and voltages in prime 95. You can undevolt it a bit and make it run slightly cooler but it's one hot momma.
Honestly, unless you want to invest a lot of money, I'd stick to the 8320 if I were you . I think anything less than the crosshair or sabre is asking for a dead board , just my 2 cents. The vrm's on my CHV-Z get too hot to touch if you really clock up the 9370.
Here is my 9370 priming at 5 ghz on a 480 mm custom loop with a koolance 380A, 3/4 inch od tubing and a horse of a pump.
i meant to say spending $300 on the cpu and still having to spend a good amount for a cooling solution may not be feasible, rather saving $100 for a similar chip and using the savings towards cooling it!
and how is owing a 9370?
i have an 8120 that i picked up for $100 with an h50 for free, and was thinking about an upgrade in the future... do you think that getting this as opposed to an 8350 worth it. right now the 8350 is $184 and the 9370 is $234.
so it does run hotter at the same clock speed as an 83xx but more stable?Originally Posted by cssorkinman
The 9370 is absolutely stable at higher clocks than the 8XXX are, and at less voltage but it does so with a huge heat penalty. Also they are finicky, and tuning one is harder than the 8xxx's ( ive had 4 , currently have 2).
I'd say you can count on one to be prime 95 stable at 2 to 400 mhz higher than an 8350 but the 8350 may be able to clock higher for benches that don't have that kind of load , simply because they will run cooler. (at around the 5 ghz mark 10C can make a 200 mhz difference in stable clocks from my experience). Probably the only real practical way to run one daily is to undervolt it ( vid is 1.53 on mine) and lock all cores to 4.8 ghz or less so as to stay on the low side of the voltage wall ( mine will prime at around 1.41 volts @ 4.7ghz). Notice how much cooler it is running at that speed and voltage.
I will qualify that, it will run fairly cool if you undervolt it, but at stock volts and clocks, it will run much hotter than my 8XXX's if you match the stock 9370 settings. It becomes even more pronounced as you go above 4.9 ghz.Originally Posted by Ultra-m-a-n
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so it does run hotter at the same clock speed as an 83xx but more stable?Originally Posted by cssorkinman
The 9370 is absolutely stable at higher clocks than the 8XXX are, and at less voltage but it does so with a huge heat penalty. Also they are finicky, and tuning one is harder than the 8xxx's ( ive had 4 , currently have 2).
I'd say you can count on one to be prime 95 stable at 2 to 400 mhz higher than an 8350 but the 8350 may be able to clock higher for benches that don't have that kind of load , simply because they will run cooler. (at around the 5 ghz mark 10C can make a 200 mhz difference in stable clocks from my experience). Probably the only real practical way to run one daily is to undervolt it ( vid is 1.53 on mine) and lock all cores to 4.8 ghz or less so as to stay on the low side of the voltage wall ( mine will prime at around 1.41 volts @ 4.7ghz). Notice how much cooler it is running at that speed and voltage.
Thanks! so the stuff that they say about the 9000s being a different animal is pretty accurate.Originally Posted by cssorkinman
I will qualify that, it will run fairly cool if you undervolt it, but at stock volts and clocks, it will run much hotter than my 8XXX's if you match the stock 9370 settings. It becomes even more pronounced as you go above 4.9 ghz.
As a blanket statement, the 8350 is a more practical chip. The 9xxx's are really only for guys that have a great supporting cast of psu, mobo and custom loops.
theres plenty of guides on how to overclock the chip... or you can just be lazy and run OC tuner in the bios with your motherboard, it is better than nothing. haha i did that after i did a cmos clear and was lazy to fiddle with stuff.Originally Posted by an65001
A new PSU would mean a new UPS too. The electricity here needs to be stabilized by a UPS before I can send it to my PC. My current one only allows a maximum of 660w, and my PSU is a 620w one. Although, the 9590 should be able to work on it, 660w is more than enough unless you have dual GPUs.
As for upgrading the CPU, I'll probably stick to my chip, but IDK about OCing it. I'll have to see once i get a good cooler.
I don't think they sell them here, but I'll try to get one.Originally Posted by Ultra-m-a-n
also you should get something to actually see how much power you are pulling out of the wall realistically with something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Arbor-Scientific-P4400-Kill-Meter/dp/B001JHGY2Q to see your actual power draw under load to see if you need to spend more on upgrading your UPS.
this is where you would see the biggest difference in games, spending more on the graphics card. then people are gonna say that you are bottlenecking your system, and that may be true, but you would still see an improvement!
generally we tend to overestimate the power needs of a given system, granted its not an excuse to skimp out on a power supply, and buying one with enough wattage so its running at its most efficient range.
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Honestly I'll just leave the CPU and board as they are, and invest more into cooling and GPU. I'd like my 8320 to go upto maybe 4.5 or 4.6, but I don't think that's gonna happen.
I have run 4.5 on this before, it was stable enough just to run CB R15, but it wouldn't pass Prime. Too little voltage/cooling.