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Did some testing with this monitor for PWM. 0-29 brightness uses low frequency PWM and should be avoided. 30-100 either goes into DC voltage, or really high PWM that can no longer be picked up with a camera.
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What games are you playing? In BF4 and not even maxed out settings and no form of AA I was using well over 3GB on my R9 290.

BF3, BF:BC2, Rome II, Shogun 2, TS2, Sleeping Dogs (on 4k it is pretty nice), Metro2033, Red Orchestra 2. I'm not using max settings, pretty much using a mix of high settings with either no AA in most titles or 2x at most. This monitor has made some games look quite amazing when I first turned it on, the more I use it the more and more I can live without my Surround setup tongue.gif.
post #1033 of 1323
I know someone with years of experience with monitors who told me that this monitor sucks. I can't remember his points, but he had many, such as below average color reproduction.
post #1034 of 1323
Good luck forking out $3500 on an IPS panel then.

Got a friend with that same IPS panel who is contemplating selling due to this one being an SST and pretty awesome for gaming.
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I know someone with years of experience with monitors who told me that this monitor sucks. I can't remember his points, but he had many, such as below average color reproduction.

Did he actually test the monitor or was he just guessing because it's TN?

http://us.hardware.info/reviews/5269/samsung-lu28d590d-review-4k-becomes-affordable

These guys above had the same opinion because it was TN but once they got their hands on one and tested it with their equipment against a bunch of other monitors, their opinion changed.
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We were pleasantly surprised when it was announced that affordable 4K / UHD monitors would be released halfway through 2014. When we then heard that these would be based on the TN technology, we were slightly disappointed. However, now that we've seen the first sample and were able to test it to our heart's content, we've adjusted our opinion: it is difficult not to be excited about the Samsung LU28D590D.

There are also a bunch of users in this thread, like myself, who went from IPS to TN and are still happy with it.
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Did he actually test the monitor or was he just guessing because it's TN?

http://us.hardware.info/reviews/5269/samsung-lu28d590d-review-4k-becomes-affordable

These guys above had the same opinion because it was TN but once they got their hands on one and tested it with their equipment against a bunch of other monitors, their opinion changed.
There are also a bunch of users in this thread, like myself, who went from IPS to TN and are still happy with it.

I am very interested in this monitor. for me it is very good.
post #1037 of 1323
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Originally Posted by mcg75 View Post

Did he actually test the monitor or was he just guessing because it's TN?

http://us.hardware.info/reviews/5269/samsung-lu28d590d-review-4k-becomes-affordable

These guys above had the same opinion because it was TN but once they got their hands on one and tested it with their equipment against a bunch of other monitors, their opinion changed.
There are also a bunch of users in this thread, like myself, who went from IPS to TN and are still happy with it.

Someone else posted this:
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1. "Delta-E" being higher than 4 even after professionally performed custom calibration, still stays higher than 4 even in the best case scenario.
2. Heavily leaking backlight.
3. No pivot/shrivel/turning/portrait.
4. No VMIS support (a.k.a. VESA Mounting).
5. 60Hz, but only through DisplayPort.
6. If using two cards (doesn't matter if SLI or CFX) - automatically goes into 1440p.
7. 30Hz if HDMI.
8. "Crystalline Effect" in full bloom.
9. viewing angels for a TN (especially if you consider it's 2014 and not early 2000s), even UXGA-type TN panels from mid-2005 are better, I am you not.
10. PWM all the way.
11. Dynamic contrast doesn't work (it's a problem of many modern panels, even actually very good and high quality models, but considering this particular monitor's price, this is twice as hilarious and sad at the same time).
12. "One billion colors" my ass.
13. Static contrast ratio is actually 827:1 at the best case scenario (after professionally performed custom calibration) and never goes higher, no matter how hard our lab tried. "1000:1"? PUH-LEASE.
post #1038 of 1323
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Originally Posted by HopeUTKN View Post

Someone else posted this:


You can just tell by that quote that that person is an angry individual, and didn't put much thought into their post other than where to place the vulgarities.


I came from a U2711 and LOVE this monitor.


Viewing angles are better than 2005, and well HDMI is HDMI. If he's using HDMI he is doing it wrong lol.

There are so many things he is wrong about:
2. Just a bad luck of the draw on the panel, mine is perfect.
3. Yeah its a drawback but acceptable.
4. see 3 this is the same point.
5. why wouldn't you use DP? Do you love paying royalities on HDMI?
6. Driver issue, not samsungs fault
7.See 5 same point twice.
8. Its actually perfect matte finish, soooooo much better than dells.
9. Viewing angles are the best i've seen in a TN, not better than a IPS but the best in a TN.
10. This seems productive?
11.why does this matter in gaming?
12. 8bit frc = 1 billion. you need a quadro card to use it.
13. 827 is actually really good.
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1. "Delta-E" being higher than 4 even after professionally performed custom calibration, still stays higher than 4 even in the best case scenario.
2. Heavily leaking backlight.
3. No pivot/shrivel/turning/portrait.
4. No VMIS support (a.k.a. VESA Mounting).
5. 60Hz, but only through DisplayPort.
6. If using two cards (doesn't matter if SLI or CFX) - automatically goes into 1440p.
7. 30Hz if HDMI.
8. "Crystalline Effect" in full bloom.
9. viewing angels for a TN (especially if you consider it's 2014 and not early 2000s), even UXGA-type TN panels from mid-2005 are better, I am you not.
10. PWM all the way.
11. Dynamic contrast doesn't work (it's a problem of many modern panels, even actually very good and high quality models, but considering this particular monitor's price, this is twice as hilarious and sad at the same time).
12. "One billion colors" my ass.
13. Static contrast ratio is actually 827:1 at the best case scenario (after professionally performed custom calibration) and never goes higher, no matter how hard our lab tried. "1000:1"? PUH-LEASE.

Testing the monitor here at home and here are some of my thoughts to those above:

1. Haven't tested it. I have found that the monitor requires proper calibration to look decent. Factory settings are poor.
2. You may have a bad sample, BLB is very minimal on my sample.
3. True, but that info is known before you even purchase the monitor.
4. Same as above.
5. Just like every other 4K monitor on the planet, no reason to complain.
6. Sounds like user error, no issue here.
7. HDMI 1.4 spec cannot run 4K at 60 Hz. There are no HDMI 2.0 GPU's, no reason to complain.
8. It actually has the same industry standard semi-gloss AR film that is widely praised and becoming more common on modern displays. "Crystalline Effect" is almost non-existent.
9. All TN panels have poor viewing angles and known before purchase. Due to the panels larger size, it will "appear" to have worse viewing angles than smaller TN panels. To properly view a TN panel, your eyesight should be aligned with the top of the monitor bezel and eyes should naturally gaze down. Harder to accomplish that on a larger TN (especially one with no height adjustment).
10. Incorrect. It has PWM 0-29 brightness. 30-100 brightness either goes DC voltage, or the frequency becomes so high that it doesn't matter.
11. I haven't found a monitor yet in which you would want to turn on dynamic contrast. Just a marketing gimmick.
12. Panel actually does fairly well in dithering tests. Stating how many colors the panel can reproduce does not equal the level of color saturation colors that "pop".
13. Contrast ratio, just like virtually all TN and IPS panels is less than 1000:1 and considered poor. 827:1 is not actually terrible for a TN. VA panels are the only place you are going to find truly great contrast ratios.

I will add my own: IPS glow. There is none!
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Testing the monitor here at home and here are some of my thoughts to those above:

1. Haven't tested it. I have found that the monitor requires proper calibration to look decent. Factory settings are poor.
2. You may have a bad sample, BLB is very minimal on my sample.
3. True, but that info is known before you even purchase the monitor.
4. Same as above.
5. Just like every other 4K monitor on the planet, no reason to complain.
6. Sounds like user error, no issue here.
7. HDMI 1.4 spec cannot run 4K at 60 Hz. There are no HDMI 2.0 GPU's, no reason to complain.
8. It actually has the same industry standard semi-gloss AR film that is widely praised and becoming more common on modern displays. "Crystalline Effect" is almost non-existent.
9. All TN panels have poor viewing angles and known before purchase. Due to the panels larger size, it will "appear" to have worse viewing angles than smaller TN panels. To properly view a TN panel, your eyesight should be aligned with the top of the monitor bezel and eyes should naturally gaze down. Harder to accomplish that on a larger TN (especially one with no height adjustment).
10. Incorrect. It has PWM 0-29 brightness. 30-100 brightness either goes DC voltage, or the frequency becomes so high that it doesn't matter.
11. I haven't found a monitor yet in which you would want to turn on dynamic contrast. Just a marketing gimmick.
12. Panel actually does fairly well in dithering tests. Stating how many colors the panel can reproduce does not equal the level of color saturation colors that "pop".
13. Contrast ratio, just like virtually all TN and IPS panels is less than 1000:1 and considered poor. 827:1 is not actually terrible for a TN. VA panels are the only place you are going to find truly great contrast ratios.

I will add my own: IPS glow. There is none!

Glad to hear that actually. Thanks!
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