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Hello, I recently built a gaming desktop. It uses a 4770k and dual Asus GTX 760's. I have many questions about this new build that I have been trying to research for several months now but have found few answers to. Any information would be helpful and I appreciate any help anyone could give me.

Here are my specs, assuming that will help, which i think it will:
CPU: Intel Core i7 4770k
CPU cooler: CM Seidon 240m w/ stock fans, set up in push going into the case
TIM: Arctic Silver 5
Motherboard: ASUS Maximus VI Hero
GPU: ASUS DCU2OC 760 SLI
Case: CM Storm Trooper

1. I have my 4770k overclocked at 4.4 GHz on 1.28v is that a normal thing? I have tried going under 1.28v but my computer always crashes when I run Intel burn test. From what ive seen on the internet that is sub par. Is this an accurate assumption?

2. When running intel burn test with this i get an average of 90.5C but the deviation from the hottest to coolest core is 7C, is that normal? Especially when using a 240mm liquid cooler?

3. Delidding. How much would it help? TIMs? Im looking at the coolabratory liquid ultra between the IHS and the die and the Indigo Xtreme between the IHS and the waterblock.

4. Push, pull, push-pull on the radiator?

5. Because of my case i have been considering getting 4 more case fans do help improve the temperatures on my graphics cards. Which are usually pretty decent but the inside of the case is usually around 31C when not gaming, inside the case not the chips so I was wondering if adding case fans would improve the temperatures much.

6. While gaming the top GPU runs at 63C while the bottom one runs at 76C, two of the fan mounts on the case are directly in front of the graphics cards. Would adding 2 fans either push or pull help those temperatures much?

7.Good quiet case fans that move a lot of air in general. Not looking to spend more than $20 a fan.

8. While i was gaming the other day i had realtemp open just to monitor my gaming temperatures, and the difference between the hottest and coolest max temps was 26C is this a bad sign or is it normal to have temperature deviations like that during gaming?

9. I am considering getting better fans for my seidon 240m, any suggestions? I would like to make it quieter and even have better temperatures if at all possible. I am looking at the scythe gentle typhoon 1850 rpm fans, are those any good or should i do something different?

10. Should i make several forum posts for these questions or is one fine?
post #2 of 30
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Originally Posted by ODSTjoker View Post

Hello, I recently built a gaming desktop. It uses a 4770k and dual Asus GTX 760's. I have many questions about this new build that I have been trying to research for several months now but have found few answers to. Any information would be helpful and I appreciate any help anyone could give me.

Here are my specs, assuming that will help, which i think it will:
CPU: Intel Core i7 4770k
CPU cooler: CM Seidon 240m w/ stock fans, set up in push going into the case
TIM: Arctic Silver 5
Motherboard: ASUS Maximus VI Hero
GPU: ASUS DCU2OC 760 SLI
Case: CM Storm Trooper

1. I have my 4770k overclocked at 4.4 GHz on 1.28v is that a normal thing? I have tried going under 1.28v but my computer always crashes when I run Intel burn test. From what ive seen on the internet that is sub par. Is this an accurate assumption?

2. When running intel burn test with this i get an average of 90.5C but the deviation from the hottest to coolest core is 7C, is that normal? Especially when using a 240mm liquid cooler?

3. Delidding. How much would it help? TIMs? Im looking at the coolabratory liquid ultra between the IHS and the die and the Indigo Xtreme between the IHS and the waterblock.

4. Push, pull, push-pull on the radiator?

5. Because of my case i have been considering getting 4 more case fans do help improve the temperatures on my graphics cards. Which are usually pretty decent but the inside of the case is usually around 31C when not gaming, inside the case not the chips so I was wondering if adding case fans would improve the temperatures much.

6. While gaming the top GPU runs at 63C while the bottom one runs at 76C, two of the fan mounts on the case are directly in front of the graphics cards. Would adding 2 fans either push or pull help those temperatures much?

7.Good quiet case fans that move a lot of air in general. Not looking to spend more than $20 a fan.

8. While i was gaming the other day i had realtemp open just to monitor my gaming temperatures, and the difference between the hottest and coolest max temps was 26C is this a bad sign or is it normal to have temperature deviations like that during gaming?

9. I am considering getting better fans for my seidon 240m, any suggestions? I would like to make it quieter and even have better temperatures if at all possible. I am looking at the scythe gentle typhoon 1850 rpm fans, are those any good or should i do something different?

10. Should i make several forum posts for these questions or is one fine?

1. this is more par then subpar, sounds normal for most of these chips, you may be able to tweak it some. but that is normal.

2. the difference in the cores is normal, even on burn tests. 7c is a little big of a difference, but not unheard of.. if you think its too much, reseat the heatsink and make sure your tim is applied properly.

3. delidding would help alot for your load temps. use any decent tim on top of heatsink. and definitely the coollabs for the die.

4. if you can do push/pull of course do it, its the extra help smile.gif. push vs pull can be debated. i usually set mine to exhaust the case/hot air out of the case to prevent extra dust. difference is these kind of setups are minimal.

5. if you are seeing high temps on your cards, more airflow can never hurt. those temps inside arent too bad, but i assume its alot hotter while gaming and thats where the fans will help.

6. yes more airflow will help in most cases smile.gif

7. for radiators or general fans, i always choose the ap15s, or the corsair sp120s. i use the corsair AF quiets for normal case exhaust.

8. completely normal for cards not under water.

9. again i always go for ap14/15s and the sp120 corsairs.

10. one is fine, you got them all answered smile.gif hope i helped you.
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post #4 of 30
Thread Starter 
Ok, so delidding would be a good idea? Because ive seen some people saying that it doesn't help much, but most say it makes a 15-25C difference. I also have been thinking that if i delid the temperatures would work a lot like performance. I mean that the crappy TIM currently under the IHS is bottlenecking the temperatures and that if i were say to use a TIM that normally gets 4C better than my current AS5, that it would be more like 6 or 7 after delidding, even though there isnt any TIM currently thats that much better than AS5, but you see my point. And on #8 i meant the cpu cores not the graphics cards, I should have clarified that.

Ive looked at the sp120's but they are a little loud for my likes, i think ill do the ap-15 fans. Would they make very good case fans? I imagine that they would, but are there any cheaper fans that would be as good as case fans. Ive looked at the cougar fans and they look good on paper but i haven't been able to find any real world tests on them.
And thank you, ive been looking at these forums for a while but i just now decided to join up and become a participant rather than an observer.
post #5 of 30
Delidding would drop 30c with coollaboratory liquid ultra on the die
post #6 of 30
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Originally Posted by ODSTjoker View Post

Ok, so delidding would be a good idea? Because ive seen some people saying that it doesn't help much, but most say it makes a 15-25C difference. I also have been thinking that if i delid the temperatures would work a lot like performance. I mean that the crappy TIM currently under the IHS is bottlenecking the temperatures and that if i were say to use a TIM that normally gets 4C better than my current AS5, that it would be more like 6 or 7 after delidding, even though there isnt any TIM currently thats that much better than AS5, but you see my point. And on #8 i meant the cpu cores not the graphics cards, I should have clarified that.

Ive looked at the sp120's but they are a little loud for my likes, i think ill do the ap-15 fans. Would they make very good case fans? I imagine that they would, but are there any cheaper fans that would be as good as case fans. Ive looked at the cougar fans and they look good on paper but i haven't been able to find any real world tests on them.
And thank you, ive been looking at these forums for a while but i just now decided to join up and become a participant rather than an observer.

sp120s are perfectly acceptable noise wise at 1000-1100rpm, which is what i keep mine at, so either use pwm, a fan controller, or the downvolt mod if you get them. the ap15s and sp120s are really static pressure fans better for radiators. you can use them for case fans, but an air flow fan will be better. i personally use the af120/140s depending on the case (corsair).

and no that temperature range isnt that bad for your processor. im guessing you mean 26 difference from min to max temp while gaming (normal load). as an example, my computer will idle around 30c depending on ambient in the house (its been cooler outside so we keep it warmer inside). while heavy gaming ill see low to mid 50s. thats close to the difference you are talking about. and this is with my fans turned down to near silent. with any radiator/liquid cooling the more rad/fan speed the better your temps will be.

delidding has helped every single 4770k ive seen. even with a normal as5, mx4 type paste on the die it still helped. the coollabs paste makes for great difference. i wouldnt expect 25c difference like you stated. i would expect closer to 10c difference under load. there is a nice thread with delidding results for the 4770k on OCN, just search for it.
post #7 of 30
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

Delidding would drop 30c with coollaboratory liquid ultra on the die

Would it really? That much? Is this an educated estimation or does this come from empirical data? Because a 30C drop would be very nice. Also would it be better to do the vice method or the razor method?
post #8 of 30
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Originally Posted by dissonance View Post

sp120s are perfectly acceptable noise wise at 1000-1100rpm, which is what i keep mine at, so either use pwm, a fan controller, or the downvolt mod if you get them. the ap15s and sp120s are really static pressure fans better for radiators. you can use them for case fans, but an air flow fan will be better. i personally use the af120/140s depending on the case (corsair).

and no that temperature range isnt that bad for your processor. im guessing you mean 26 difference from min to max temp while gaming (normal load). as an example, my computer will idle around 30c depending on ambient in the house (its been cooler outside so we keep it warmer inside). while heavy gaming ill see low to mid 50s. thats close to the difference you are talking about. and this is with my fans turned down to near silent. with any radiator/liquid cooling the more rad/fan speed the better your temps will be.

delidding has helped every single 4770k ive seen. even with a normal as5, mx4 type paste on the die it still helped. the coollabs paste makes for great difference. i wouldnt expect 25c difference like you stated. i would expect closer to 10c difference under load. there is a nice thread with delidding results for the 4770k on OCN, just search for it.

no i mean the hottest and coolest maxes on the four cores was a 26C difference. 4th core max was 26C cooler than 2nd core max. And well ill delid and post the results afterwards. Hopefully itll be better than 10C, but any decent improvement would be very nice.
post #9 of 30
http://www.overclock.net/t/1313179/official-delidded-club-guide

Use a vise its much easier. I personally havn't seen 30c on my tests, but with coollabs ultra i got way better temps than before i delid. i also lapped and delided the processor as thats what the person wanted. it was easily 20c cooler under load under water. makes a great difference, if you are worried about temps for a stable OC and have the means to do it, i would smile.gif
post #10 of 30
I saw it on a club like this
http://www.overclock.net/t/1313179/official-delidded-club-guide

Which had a chart with temperatures I cant find it.but for sure 25-30c than with stock TIM
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