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Retrospectively, I was just wondering what people feel about this chip today?

I know the big debate was that it was outclassed by the Q6600 by a large amount, yet I still feel it was a great processor and very under appreciated. It seems like it runs very well
together with Windows 8.

When it came out the 9600 was like the same price as the Pentium D 965 which I feel was a very inferior processor in itself.

Am I looking through rose colored glasses on this line of processors or what the hate uneeded on this line of processors?
    
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The TLB errata issue seemed to kill it a bit, the BIOS workaround was something like ~10-15% penalty.

It also seemed to draw a lot of electricity and was pretty outclassed when the Conroes launched.
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The processor die was large and AMDs 65nm manufacturing process was not very good, this held the clock speed back.
Back then fewer applications & games where able to use all four cores fully.
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Originally Posted by DrSwizz View Post

The processor die was large and AMDs 65nm manufacturing process was not very good, this held the clock speed back.
Back then fewer applications & games where able to use all four cores fully.


Intel did fine on 65nm, so did AMD on K8 I believe, but yeah the issue was the low clock speeds

I am interested in a seeing a modern day benchmark for the PH1 just to see how well it compares to modern processors such as Pentium/Celeron DC's.
    
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It would have been much better when first released without the erratum that AMD had to kludge together a "fix" for. A Phenom X3 or X4 probably does look better today than it did back then, because more software today can use all of its cores. You wouldn't want to use one for gaming on the latest titles or anything tremendously CPU-intensive, but it's still plenty good enough for 95 percent of what people use computers for. It actually runs much better on Linux than it does in Windows, because there are ways to fix the erratum in software using Linux with a much smaller performance penalty. Or, if you have a later stepping, you don't have to worry about it at all.
     
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post #6 of 24
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Intel did fine on 65nm, so did AMD on K8 I believe, but yeah the issue was the low clock speeds

I am interested in a seeing a modern day benchmark for the PH1 just to see how well it compares to modern processors such as Pentium/Celeron DC's.

Here's a link to a cinebench run I made with my 9850 at 3250MHz http://hwbot.org/submission/2411231_johan45_cinebench_r11.5_phenom_x4_9850be_3.68_points

I need to get this back out and get it under water. I managed a validation at 3611 on air http://valid.canardpc.com/2884552
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You wouldn't want to use one for gaming on the latest titles or anything tremendously CPU-intensive, but it's still plenty good enough for 95 percent of what people use computers for.
I know one person who games on PI x4 9550. Can handle BF4 and other modern games fine. Now his old 8800gts died so he replaced it with R7 250 so mantle can help a bit in BF4.
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Would have been a passable chip if not for the TLB bug.

The B3's weren't terrible, but they did not clock well, and by the time they were available I had already gone big with a ~4GHz Xeon Quad.
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post #9 of 24
Quote:
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Retrospectively, I was just wondering what people feel about this chip today?

I know the big debate was that it was outclassed by the Q6600 by a large amount, yet I still feel it was a great processor and very under appreciated. It seems like it runs very well
together with Windows 8.

When it came out the 9600 was like the same price as the Pentium D 965 which I feel was a very inferior processor in itself.

Am I looking through rose colored glasses on this line of processors or what the hate uneeded on this line of processors?

IMO the Phenom I was the beginning of AMD's demise. When it first came out, it was not only much slower than the Q6600, but also more expensive. Not to mention the TLB bug that further penalized performance.

In short, it was slower than Core 2 Quad, overclocked worse, and drew more power. if the Core 2 Quad wasn't around back in the day, the Phenom I may have been considered a decent chip, but unfortunately for AMD, the Core 2 Quad had already been out for a year by the time the first Phenoms were released.

I actually built an AM2 system with the intention of upgrading to Phenom one day, and I remember being really, disappointed when the reviews started coming out. If the Phenom I performed better and didn't have all of its problems, I might have stuck with AMD, but after I saw those first reviews, I switched to Intel with a Core 2 Quad system and haven't looked back since.

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I am talking about modern day benchmarks, like how it compares to dual core processors these days that are selling right now. Anyone who would be willing to actually take the time to do them would be awesome in my book.
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