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post #21 of 76
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I think running crossfire 290x with a AMD FX 8350 @ 4.8ghz on 1080p resolution gives you a massive CPU Bottleneck, as in the CPU just doesnt have enough grunt to power your GPU Usage to 100%.

You should try running GPU-Z or MSI Afterburner while playing games, then after playing a bit ALT-TAB back to gpu-z/afterburner and watch the GPU Usage graph. If the GPU is not near constant 99-100% its just bottlenecked by the CPU.

It could be that like some people are saying the CPU's is throttling possible by overheating VRM's on the motherboard, or the CPU temp itself,
but then still its highly unlikely to push both cards to maximum usage.

Driving around in Far Cry 3 at Ultra settings 8xMSAA HDAO I'm seeing an average of about 35% GPU utilisation :S

EDIT: Up to as high as 70% when I reset my bios/CPU to stock. Curiouser and curiouser.
Edited by jonnyapps - 3/10/14 at 1:58pm
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btw, you disabled ulps?

even your valley is low.

edit: presscott has a point. your combined score in fs is low as well.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/2072325

This is getting frustrating pretty quickly! A repeated thanks to everyone for chipping in so far.

I've just disabled ULPS (never heard of it until now) but no different.

http://www.techspot.com/review/615-far-cry-3-performance/page6.html would suggest I didn't ought to be being bottlenecked by a 4.8ghz 8350 in FC3 surely?

Also, definitely not a PSU issue - I'm on a Platinum Rated 1000W Fractal Design PSU.

I've just tried DDU to clear out the AMD drivers (I had at one point been using the latest betas) but that hasn't helped either.

Now running a stock 3Dmark.
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The CPU is definitely bottlecking your cards.
It shouldn't though, especially at that frequency.

What did you use to ensure stability at 4.8?

If you get a chance try a few runs on Cinebench r15, With the 3DMark score being so low, I wonder how it would perform on C15.
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don't get frustrated. i suggest you pm Sgt. Bilko. He has a similar setup as you . . .

http://www.overclock.net/t/1436497/official-amd-r9-290x-290-owners-club/18720

i know in valley (just valley that i know of) you have to tweak something in CCC to get better score. something to do with setting Maximize 1X1 or something. i only have a single 290. valley and heaven rely less on the cpu while others like 3DMark do. Games will behave similarly.
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Try getting a better resolution(2560x1400) or get an i7 with mobo
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This is getting frustrating pretty quickly! A repeated thanks to everyone for chipping in so far.

I've just disabled ULPS (never heard of it until now) but no different.

http://www.techspot.com/review/615-far-cry-3-performance/page6.html would suggest I didn't ought to be being bottlenecked by a 4.8ghz 8350 in FC3 surely?

Also, definitely not a PSU issue - I'm on a Platinum Rated 1000W Fractal Design PSU.

I've just tried DDU to clear out the AMD drivers (I had at one point been using the latest betas) but that hasn't helped either.

Now running a stock 3Dmark.

Overclock your ram, I noticed a large boost from doing so. I gained 500 physics score by jumping from 1866 to 2400mhz.

Ill run Far Cry 3 and Crysis 3 later when im at my PC.
 
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Hi all,

I'm getting a bit frustrated here. I've recently completed a build and it's just not performing as well as I had hoped.
The main things I'm seeing big problems with are Crysis 3 and Far Cry 3. I'm aware both are demanding games but wanted to check if others have the same experience as me or if I'm doing something wrong.

My build is as follows:

FX 8350 - 4.8ghz on water (50C in game)
2x MSI R9 290 Twin Frozr Crossfired (85ish in game each)
990 Sabertooth v2 motherboard
12GB of 1600mhz RAM (2x2gb of Ripjaws and 2x4gb of Corsair Vengeance) - these get set as 1333mhz by bios
Samsung 840 Pro SSD 128GB.

In Crysis 3 I can see up to 120fps but then I see dips to 20 fps. It's hard to give an average as it is so wildly variable but I'd guess the average was 45fps. All settings on high - I've messed about with settings and even changing a whole lot of settings to low seems to yield little improvement.

This cutscene here shows an r9 290 in Crysis at 1080p running between 50-60fps (29 seconds in to about 1:29). I have repeated this test and have dual r9 290s that are overclocked and not hitting their thermal limit as they're non-ref but I'm seeing lower frames 20-40)

Far Cry 3 - fairly similar story. Average framerate is probably around 40fps. Variance is less extreme but there's repeated lag. If I stand on the spot and spin around looking up at some trees I get constant hitching and dipping from 80fps to very low (FRAPS doesn't seem to change to reflect it). Changing settings has minimal effect here as well.

I feel like I was getting a more solid performance on my old rig which was with an i7 920. By solid I don't mean better, just less variable.

Perhaps I'm just going crazy? Is there anything obvious I might have wrong that's causing these problems? Am I expecting too much from my setup?

BIOS/GPU drivers are up to date.
3DMark testing shows I'm 'better than 92%' of testers. I feel that with results like that I shouldn't be constantly niggled by frame dips etc.

Everything is being played at 1080p.

Thanks in advance and I hope this is the right forum - I've posted here as I think it's more likely a CPU issue than GPU.

As rdr09 has stated i have a very similar rig to you so i'll see what happens on my end.

In Crysis 3 i'm using High settings at 1080p, MSAA x4 and AF x 8 and i'm getting about 45-50fps average in the first mission (The most Rig intensive imo) with dips to 30 fps with only ONE 290 being utilized, Crossfire didn't enable for some reason.

I'll Edit this post with Far Cry 3 results and with Crossfire Crysis if i get it working.


EDIT: got Crossfire working, CCC disabled it for some reason rolleyes.gif

Same Mission, Same settings, avg 80-90fps with dips to 60fps and CPU was hovering around 85% usage (running 4.74Ghz atm)
So this is looking like the CPU and Ram is holding you back a little, I'll Boot into my 5Ghz profile and see what happens then,
It's worth noting that so long as you keep the temps under 65c the Vishera Chips will handle it smile.gif

EDIT2: I'm getting roughly the same fps as you in Far Cry 3, I've got it set to Ultra High with MSAA x 4.
it's barely utilizing one GPU, it's seems Far Cry hits a CPU limitation hard early on
Will try it at a higher CPU Clock.

Final Edit: Well, my 5Ghz profile is giving me all sorts of grief atm for some reason, But from everything i've seen so far best pieces of advice i can give is

  • set your ram back to 1600Mhz,
  • run it as a single card system,
  • don't play Far Cry 3 tongue.gif
  • or you can fork out some more cash for a 4770k and Mobo.

harsh but true, there might be something i'm missing here though, there are more experienced Vishera owners out there than me smile.gif
Edited by Sgt Bilko - 3/11/14 at 2:19am
 
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As rdr09 has stated i have a very similar rig to you so i'll see what happens on my end.

In Crysis 3 i'm using High settings at 1080p, MSAA x4 and AF x 8 and i'm getting about 45-50fps average in the first mission (The most Rig intensive imo) with dips to 30 fps with only ONE 290 being utilized, Crossfire didn't enable for some reason.

I'll Edit this post with Far Cry 3 results and with Crossfire Crysis if i get it working.


EDIT: got Crossfire working, CCC disabled it for some reason rolleyes.gif

Same Mission, Same settings, avg 80-90fps with dips to 60fps and CPU was hovering around 85% usage (running 4.74Ghz atm)
So this is looking like the CPU and Ram is holding you back a little, I'll Boot into my 5Ghz profile and see what happens then,
It's worth noting that so long as you keep the temps under 65c the Vishera Chips will handle it smile.gif

EDIT2: I'm getting roughly the same fps as you in Far Cry 3, I've got it set to Ultra High with MSAA x 4.
it's barely utilizing one GPU, it's seems Far Cry hits a CPU limitation hard early on
Will try it at a higher CPU Clock.

Final Edit: Well, my 5Ghz profile is giving me all sorts of grief atm for some reason, But from everything i've seen so far best pieces of advice i can give is

  • set your ram back to 1600Mhz,
  • run it as a single card system,
  • don't play Far Cry 3 tongue.gif
  • or you can fork out some more cash for a 4770k and Mobo.

harsh but true, there might be something i'm missing here though, there are more experienced Vishera owners out there than me smile.gif

Thanks very much. I really appreciate all the time people have gone to to help. When I'm home tonight I'll record the experience I'm having. It has incredibly frequent FPS dips - to unplayable levels.

In the mean time, here's a stock report of my physics in 3DMark: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/1844027 are you able to tell me what you get, OC'd or stock, whatever is easiest.
I briefly tried IntelBurnTest last night and was getting 30Gflops but believe that's low?

Unfortunately I had little time to experiment last night but should be able to tonight so will try other things mentioned such as Cinebench.

Many thanks again.
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Thanks very much. I really appreciate all the time people have gone to to help. When I'm home tonight I'll record the experience I'm having. It has incredibly frequent FPS dips - to unplayable levels.

In the mean time, here's a stock report of my physics in 3DMark: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/1844027 are you able to tell me what you get, OC'd or stock, whatever is easiest.
I briefly tried IntelBurnTest last night and was getting 30Gflops but believe that's low?

Unfortunately I had little time to experiment last night but should be able to tonight so will try other things mentioned such as Cinebench.

Many thanks again.

I don't have the stock scores on hand and i'll be logging off soon but i don't mind dropping everything to stock and running some benches tomorrow though.

Ram speeds have a bigger impact on Firestrike Physics than you would think, as i said before, i gained 500 points from 1866 to 2400Mhz.
 
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FX 8350 with two 290's..... rolleyes.gif

Why?

Why pair up a pair of high end videocards with a mid range cpu?
I'd be like me tossing two 290's on my i7 920.... Not the best idea especially when CF/SLI has always worked its smoothest with plenty of CPU power to back it up.


Called CPU Bottleneck redface.gif

I bet games that use mantle will work nicely on your pc tongue.gif
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