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I had an idea to make things supersimple but before I tell you what it is, I would like to know, what are the main targets with a pc built in desk.

I would expect:
- the ability to see components and stuff
- accessibility of the components
- ergonomics
- - space for legs
- - no distraction for gaming or work (meaning the components are off center of the table)
- - comfort for hands (no glass where you place your hands, preferably real wood)

Feel free to make your own list and even rate the importance of each point etc.

Looks like our expectations are very alike. I would probably add silence in there but I think that would require a bit more cash in the end. And I don't necessarily want my components off center either but it's not a deal breaker. I prefer everything spread out for all to see. #1 though is definitely to showcase your goods. I want a display case for all that hard earned cash I put into my components. With the top, I think people can bring their own. If u want wood, u can get that cut. If u want glass etc etc. that would save on production. Once again, I'm no expert here. Just my assumptions.
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What I've seen is mostly people who want a decent table with PC visible through some glass or acrylic. But the price of pc-desks available is beyond ridiculous, partly because its truly expensive to develop and prototype and partly because people who make those want to make money.

Knowing that I came up with an idea. Lets consider a quite simple design of table with a simple glass window of various shapes (rectangular, squarish, oval...). Making this would be quite easy. Below the window there would be some fixture to hold a regular case with its side panel removed to make components visible. I would suggest using some sort of a decent bigtower case e.g. Fractal etc. This solution could be quite cheap, you could actually move the case anywhere if you wanted to, installation could be done through a window or by removing the case from the table. Just simple, easy and working properly.


About the top side. Its not difficult to make wooden desk, its much harder to make proper glass one though. Its about making it right, meaning ergonomic, easy to manipulate etc. For this reason i prefer wood/glass combination.
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What I've seen is mostly people who want a decent table with PC visible through some glass or acrylic. But the price of pc-desks available is beyond ridiculous, partly because its truly expensive to develop and prototype and partly because people who make those want to make money.

Knowing that I came up with an idea. Lets consider a quite simple design of table with a simple glass window of various shapes (rectangular, squarish, oval...). Making this would be quite easy. Below the window there would be some fixture to hold a regular case with its side panel removed to make components visible. I would suggest using some sort of a decent bigtower case e.g. Fractal etc. This solution could be quite cheap, you could actually move the case anywhere if you wanted to, installation could be done through a window or by removing the case from the table. Just simple, easy and working properly.


About the top side. Its not difficult to make wooden desk, its much harder to make proper glass one though. Its about making it right, meaning ergonomic, easy to manipulate etc. For this reason i prefer wood/glass combination.

If you'd like, i dont want to jack ur thread, I can pm u some sketchup designs and maybe we can go back and fourth. Obviously I'd need someone with more production knowledge to explain what's feasible /practical/possible. But I'd love to help come up with something
Edited by Str8Klownin - 4/2/14 at 12:48pm
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I had an idea to make things supersimple but before I tell you what it is, I would like to know, what are the main targets with a pc built in desk.

I would expect:
- the ability to see components and stuff
- accessibility of the components
- ergonomics
- - space for legs
- - no distraction for gaming or work (meaning the components are off center of the table)
- - comfort for hands (no glass where you place your hands, preferably real wood)

Feel free to make your own list and even rate the importance of each point etc.

For my preferences (and those of the gamer/tech enthusiast friends I know), there are a few things I'd change.

First, the last two bits (no distraction for gaming or work (meaning the components are off center of the table) and comfort for hands (no glass where you place your hands, preferably real wood)) aren't really that important to us. Personally I like the red harbinger approach of using extra space for a second system. I don't really mind the surface being made out of glass, or anything else for that matter. I'm not going to be touching the surface of my computer desk much (I'm either touching my keyboard and mouse, or I'm touching whatever I'm working on building/reading/writing/whatever).

I also don't think air-tightness or sound proofing is really all that important. Users can opt for very quiet fans and dust filters if they want them. However, I believe it is important to make the desk impervious to liquid penetration from the top. People spill drinks on their desks all the time.



I definitely want to see the system through the surface, and accessibility of those components is very important. Accessibility is the biggest issue with the Red Harbinger desk and one of the main reasons I haven't picked one up. Ideally I'd like to be able to service the system without having to remove everything from the top of the desk!

I'd also like the desk to be fairly large. More work space is always better, and leg space (with ample room to comfortably fit a large subwoofer as well) is also obviously an important factor.



One added feature I'd really love to see added is an easy method of attaching large radiators to the back and/or sides of the desk (the areas that are going to have legs or whatever anyway). Strapping a few oversized external radiators to the back where they are out of the way for instance would be a nice way to achieve a silent passively (aside from the pump) cooled system.

Another nice added feature would be for the front I/O panel to be in the form of a removable 5.25 bay device. It always irks me when a really nice expensive case (or even worse, an entire piece of computer-furniture) ages a few years, and the I/O panel full of firewire and USB 1.0 ports become obsolete! My HAF932 already has outdated USB 2.0 ports for instance. By making it a 5.25 bay device, it can be easily swapped out for something more modern when the time comes, or even just to suit a user's preference (double size panel with additional features, half size minimalistic panel that will fit along side a slim CD drive into a single bay and make more room for a bay reservoir, etc.)

The last thing I'd like, is some sort of modular accessory attachment system. I'd personally love the desk to have a horizontal bar across the length of the desk, suspended about 1.5 feet above the back edge, to mount speakers and monitors to. I'd also like a shelf on one side to stand a large tower computer and some drawers on the other side to stash all my software disks, small components, etc. Other people might want a stand on both sides and no drawers, or no bar along the back, or a subwoofer platform on the bottom, or even a slide out keyboard tray. Even if you don't end up providing all the more esoteric accessories yourself, by having a modular attachment system, it will be a lot easier for people like me to make something ourselves to attach, without fear of permanently screwing up the nice expensive desk.
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I have a design that incorporates a lot of what zero is talking about. Maybe adding a pull out draw somewhere would help with drives. Let's gets something started and see where it takes us
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If you'd like, i dont want to jack ur thread, I can pm u some sketchup designs and maybe we can go back and fourth. Obviously I'd need someone with more production knowledge to explain what's feasible /practical/possible. But I'd love to help come up with something

I don't mind open discussion on desk designs, its related to the thread, so why not to share it with others. They might have good ideas as well.
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[easy] extra space
[easy] impervious to liquid penetration
[very difficult] be able to service the system without having to remove everything from the top
[easy] be fairly large
[complicated design] leg space
[easy] attaching large radiators to the back and/or sides of the desk
[easy] front I/O panel to be in the form of a removable 5.25
[difficult] modular accessory attachment system
[if its just a rigid bar then easy] horizontal bar across the length of the desk to mount speakers and monitors to
[medium]shelf on one side to stand a large tower computer and some drawers on the other side

Thank you for your input, you clearly know what you want from your desk. I selected the important points a rated their difficulty according to my knowledge of manufacturing and design.

There is one major issue in your demands. It seems you want something even better than harbinger, which would be very difficult to achieve. I mean their design is far from perfect, but manufacturing seems to be on high level. I dont have the machinery nor the skills to do something like that.

I aim for simple yet very function oriented designs, which can be made by regular equipment.

Anyways I agree on most of the points you made, including the servicing, monitor mount and modularity. I actually work on a design, that could incorporate these features.
Edited by uberniner - 4/3/14 at 12:28am
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I don't mind open discussion on desk designs, its related to the thread, so why not to share it with others. They might have good ideas as well.
Thank you for your input, you clearly know what you want from your desk. I selected the important points a rated their difficulty according to my knowledge of manufacturing and design.

There is one major issue in your demands. It seems you want something even better than harbinger, which would be very difficult to achieve. I mean their design is far from perfect, but manufacturing seems to be on high level. I dont have the machinery nor the skills to do something like that.

I aim for simple yet very function oriented designs, which can be made by regular equipment.

Anyways I agree on most of the points you made, including the servicing, monitor mount and modularity. I actually work on a design, that could incorporate these features.

Thanks for the kind words.

I have probably the world's worst desk (that is actually a desk, and not a fiberboard laid on top of cinder blocks or something) and the only reason I still have it after all these years of needing it replaced is that I just can't seem to find something on the market that I would be happy with sticking with. I'm very forward looking with my purchases and try not to buy anything I'm not certain will make me happy for at least several years.

At first I wanted to buy just a very nice normal desk. I then discovered the DIY pipe desks/shelves that looked like a great way to easily and quickly make something that really fit all my needs without needing a bunch of power tools and a large work space. (I moved a lot, frequently into apartments, so those things just weren't practical as much as I'd like them). Then before I actually got to building my pipe desk, I discovered the L3P Desk and just completely fell in love with the idea. I kept watching people build computer case desks and lusting after one of my own and when the Red Harbinger desks were announced I got real hopeful.Now that they are actually available however, I've just had too much time to think about what exactly I would want out of a desk, and the current offerings just don't provide all of that.

So with all that said, you are somewhat right, ideally I would indeed like a basically "better" Red Harbinger desk with the added features I mentioned. At the moment though, nothing like that really exists. If I had to trade some of the flashiness of Red Harbinger's fit and finish, so to speak, for added functionality and longevity, I would certainly do so. After all, at the end of the day, basically anything is an upgrade from what I have. Even if it doesn't look absolutely perfect, if it works in all the ways I want it to, it would be amazing.


At any rate, if you ever want to bounce some ideas off me for any future projects, I would be more than happy to help. I don't have a whole lot of technical skill when it comes to construction, but I've had a lot of time to think about how things are commonly done, the issues with doing so, potential methods for improvement. From the work I've seen you do, you clearly have the skills, and the creativity, to achieve some real nice results that could give even Red Harbinger some serious competition (even if perhaps not directly targeting the same demographic).
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