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I think I just heard my FX8320 call out "great-grandpa... is that you?" lachen.gif

Shouldn't make CPU jokes when your running an FX8320..

Compared to an Intel chip that FX8320 is like a ginger step child nobody really wants tongue.gif
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Shouldn't make CPU jokes when your running an FX8320..

Compared to an Intel chip that FX8320 is like a ginger step child nobody really wants tongue.gif

Take my FX-6350! I beg of you! *Joke about retarded child*
Edited by cookieboyeli - 4/14/14 at 6:02am
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DDR3 already has 16GB modules. X99 will only have 4 slots so you can bet there will be 16GB modules. I'd go as far as to say maybe even 32GB modules.

These 16 GB modules are registered. I.e., it's a server memory not working on consumer boards. However, if I'm wrong and there is actually a non-server 16 GB module of DDR3 out I would be exceptionally interested in it. I just looked but could not spot any in local (Estonian) market. As far as I understood 8GB modules are planned at launch for DDR4 for consumer space (i.e., not registered and not ECC memory). Ofc 16 GB makes sense as the DDR4 supports stacked designs, however, I'm not sure we will see it in near future - but who knows.

I guess what I was referring to was the registered ram.

http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=CT16G3ERSDD4186D

Bummer:o


EDIT: That said, unregistered 16GB DDR3 looks like it's on the horizon.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7742/im-intelligent-memory-to-release-16gb-unregistered-ddr3-modules
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I guess what I was referring to was the registered ram.

http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=CT16G3ERSDD4186D

Bummer:o


EDIT: That said, unregistered 16GB DDR3 looks like it's on the horizon.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7742/im-intelligent-memory-to-release-16gb-unregistered-ddr3-modules
In that case, 128gb registered ddr4 has been announced a few weeks ago. So maybe 32gb will come out and then 64gbs for next CPU/board set
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What's the difference between registered and unregistered RAM? redface.gif
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EDIT: That said, unregistered 16GB DDR3 looks like it's on the horizon.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7742/im-intelligent-memory-to-release-16gb-unregistered-ddr3-modules

That is rather interesting news. Surprised to see Intel has problems with higher than 8 GB DDR3 sticks atm - I could swear some of the LGA2011 MSI consumer boards were listing 128 GB as supported amount in their spec sheets. Anyway - if this firm delivers then by the same technique we would probably get also 16 and 32 GB DDR4 modules.
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Shouldn't make CPU jokes when your running an FX8320..

Compared to an Intel chip that FX8320 is like a ginger step child nobody really wants tongue.gif

Lols... not entirely true. Lots of people still buy the AMDs because of their budget restraints. However, let's be fair and honest here. While yes, AMD did drop the ball and fall almost 10 years behind Intel in R&D, let's all remember that for AMD's first foray into a multi-threaded core design, IMHO, Bulldozer and Piledriver did better than the Intel's first multi-threaded core design in the P4 Northwood B chips. I have owned both the P4 and a Bulldozer. But the inescapable truth is that my 4670K outperforms my old FX clock for clock hands down with half the threads.

As far as X99 goes... I waited 9 months to make the choice between Haswell, Ivy, Ivy-E, or Sandy-E. I chose Haswell because of budget (price to performance, power consumption, etc.), and because I will never again justify buying brand new released and unproven hardware again after experiencing both Intel's P4 flop before going to AMD, and AMD's BD flop before going back to Intel. Honestly, I'm certainly going to follow Haswell-E very closely, but I'll probably just hold off for Broadwell-E or it's successor. Same reason I'm plenty happy waiting on DDR4 to stabilize and get significantly cheaper than launch prices will be, same reason I waited almost 6 years after SSDs hit the market to finally get one, and the same reason I will happily pass on Maxwell's big launch in the 880 and gladly wait for the GTX 980 before I upgrade from my current 780... or more likely just go with a second 780 for SLI and hold out another generation of GPU architecture.

Although, I have to be honest, an HT 8-core Extreme Edition is SOOOOOOOO tempting... biggrin.gif
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Do you have any source or you just think they will? I mean it is kind of logical that they will .. eventually have 16 GB DIMM's (putting max RAM amount to 64 GB like current LGA2011 boards) and perhaps somewhere down the road also 32 GB DIMM's (putting the cap at 128 GB which would be the limit if DDR3 would have 16 GB DIMM's) considering that the spec supports stacked design, however, as far as I have been able to see then at launch next year there will be 4 GB DDR4 DIMM's - I do not remember having seen any 8 GB ones even so far but it would certainly make sense to have some.

I'd have to do some digging but I could swear about hearing somewhere that there's already 8GB DDR4 ECC sticks being used in high end servers/supercomputers. I'm more inclined to think it will be similar to the majority of the current DDR3 market right now though with higher pricing of course. The thing I most interested in seeing is how the pricing will settle out with the high frequency 2x and 4x 4GB sets. The idea of paying $100-120 for an 8GB set of DDR3-2400 leads me to wonder if we could see prices for 2x 4GB DDR4 2400-2800 in the $200-250 price range at launch thanks the the likelihood of the Freq. cap being much higher on DDR4... just thinking about the potential to see 4GHz+ plus memory in the not so distant future and CPU's and chipsets that can actually use that speed... oOoOo thumb.gif


EDIT: page 6... DDR4 ECC in 8GB dimms with speeds up to 3200... not sure if it's been released for sale yet, but they were releasing samples back in June of last year when they did this brochure.

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/file/media/DDR4_Brochure-0.pdf
Edited by SpacemanSpliff - 4/19/14 at 12:38pm
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I'd have to do some digging but I could swear about hearing somewhere that there's already 8GB DDR4 ECC sticks being used in high end servers/supercomputers. I'm more inclined to think it will be similar to the majority of the current DDR3 market right now though with higher pricing of course. The thing I most interested in seeing is how the pricing will settle out with the high frequency 2x and 4x 4GB sets. The idea of paying $100-120 for an 8GB set of DDR3-2400 leads me to wonder if we could see prices for 2x 4GB DDR4 2400-2800 in the $200-250 price range at launch thanks the the likelihood of the Freq. cap being much higher on DDR4... just thinking about the potential to see 4GHz+ plus memory in the not so distant future and CPU's and chipsets that can actually use that speed... oOoOo thumb.gif


EDIT: page 6... DDR4 ECC in 8GB dimms with speeds up to 3200... not sure if it's been released for sale yet, but they were releasing samples back in June of last year when they did this brochure.

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/file/media/DDR4_Brochure-0.pdf

Well - registered and ECC stuff is a bit different - it's server stuff. You can have these at sizes larger than 8 GB also today for DDR3. They just do not work on consumer boards (like the ones with the current X79 chipsets). But being able at least match current DDR3 memory density at launch is essential in my opinion for DDR4 - if they would be able to match the current DDR3 density they would be still at 50% total capacity disadvantage because of having only a single module per channel. With the RAM at least for me quantity trumps quality. Even a "slow" DDR3 RAM is ~10x faster than SSD smile.gif

Edit: According to that link it seems that the DDR4 will be able to match DDR3 densities. The max size they list for their DDR3 is 64 GB modules while they list future DDR4 modules going as high as 128 GB. Will see where they are at launch though.
Edited by Carniflex - 4/19/14 at 10:35pm
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Well - registered and ECC stuff is a bit different - it's server stuff. You can have these at sizes larger than 8 GB also today for DDR3. They just do not work on consumer boards (like the ones with the current X79 chipsets). But being able at least match current DDR3 memory density at launch is essential in my opinion for DDR4 - if they would be able to match the current DDR3 density they would be still at 50% total capacity disadvantage because of having only a single module per channel. With the RAM at least for me quantity trumps quality. Even a "slow" DDR3 RAM is ~10x faster than SSD smile.gif

Edit: According to that link it seems that the DDR4 will be able to match DDR3 densities. The max size they list for their DDR3 is 64 GB modules while they list future DDR4 modules going as high as 128 GB. Will see where they are at launch though.

I think the big thing to note with DDR4 though is that it's supposed to be close to double the bandwidth of DDR3 if my memory serves me correctly. So even though it will only be one module per channel, it will have the same bandwidth potential with half the modules... so a 2x 4gb set of DDR4 will in theory have the same bandwidth as a 4x 4gb set of DDR3.
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