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People say it's a waste crossfiring two lower cards, but i'm happy with my two little 270x cards working together.

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Who says that - mine is awesome.


Not a waste at all, it really depends on what cards you're Crossfiring.

A 270X is $200, if you get two of them for $400 that's less than I paid for each of my 290s and the performance is about the same.

They just have less VRAM and memory bandwidth so in a few more years they won't be able to handle newer games as well as a single 290.
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The memory bandwidth yes but together they have 4Gbs of VRAM. Yours may be the exception but I beat most 290's, I believe it's due to the high core clock speeds I can achieve, the caveat is that some 290's can flash to 290x. Notice I did say most not all 290's. smile.gif
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Together your cards only have 2GB of VRAM. VRAM is not mirrored in Crossfire. You may have 4GB of physical memory present, but the drivers will only have a 2GB frame buffer.

Even overclocked, if I use a single card your setup is a tiny bit more powerful than mine, but probably only in benchmarks. E.g. you've shown that you consistently get higher graphics scores in 3dmark products. I have to run my good 290 at 1200mhz to have a chance but it's not fully stable. The upside for you is that you can overclock your cards past 1200mhz and then they outperform my 290 at 1200mhz in benches.

For gaming your setup is definitely less powerful than my single 290 due to lower memory bandwidth, less VRAM and Crossfire scaling.

And hopefully getting this i7 4770k and PCI-E 3.0 will unlock the real potential of my cards.
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It's weird that I would get close to double the performance at 5760x1080p but way less than double on ExtremeHD. I've heard that higher resolutions is where Hawaii shines and this seems to prove it.

So anyway, I'm getting an i7 4770k and an ASUS ROG Maximus VI Hero. They should be here sometime this week. I promise I will take plenty of pictures of the teardown and rebuild.

I love AMD and I will continue to buy their GPUs, APUs in laptops and so on. The price/performance can't be beat. However, with 2 290s and 3 monitors it really does seem that Vishera is too slow and outdated to maximize performance.

Have fun with the upgrade, I think I'll be upgrading to a 4770K sometime soon as well thinking.gif. I'll probably stick with Intel CPU + AMD GPU for quite some time. Meanwhile my brother is running AMD CPU + Nvidia GPU. tongue.gif

And I certainly agree though that AMD cards do much better at higher resolutions. I had Eyefinity for a while (5760 x 1080) and eventually decided that I never really used the outer halves of the outer screens (and the game support wasn't that great), so I went with a single IPS 2560x1440 display, and I'm happy with it.

One nice thing about high resolutions is that you remove some of the CPU bottleneck and make things more GPU-bound. However, Crossfire does some with a cost in CPU overhead which may be holding you back some. Are you getting 99% GPU usage in both cards during the benchmarks?

Also, a note about running in Eyefinity, the website wsgf.org is great resource. thumb.gif
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Have fun with the upgrade, I think I'll be upgrading to a 4770K sometime soon as well thinking.gif. I'll probably stick with Intel CPU + AMD GPU for quite some time. Meanwhile my brother is running AMD CPU + Nvidia GPU. tongue.gif

And I certainly agree though that AMD cards do much better at higher resolutions. I had Eyefinity for a while (5760 x 1080) and eventually decided that I never really used the outer halves of the outer screens (and the game support wasn't that great), so I went with a single IPS 2560x1440 display, and I'm happy with it.

One nice thing about high resolutions is that you remove some of the CPU bottleneck and make things more GPU-bound. However, Crossfire does some with a cost in CPU overhead which may be holding you back some. Are you getting 99% GPU usage in both cards during the benchmarks?

Also, a note about running in Eyefinity, the website wsgf.org is great resource. thumb.gif

I love AMD and will continue to support their products and buy their GPUs. For a low end or even a midrange to mid high end build, their CPUs make sense. However, Big Red isn't exactly a low end budget build like it started out as. I think with two top of the line graphics cards and three monitors, Big Red is firmly in the high end. I guess I'll find out if my purchase was worth it once I get my new CPU and overclock it and try Valley. Even still, 3 of the computers in the house have AMD processors and they are PERFECT for what they're used for. 2 Phenom IIs and an old Athlon 64 3200+ that's in great running shape. Eventually once I'm sure there's nothing wrong with my new board and cpu I'll give my Crosshair V and FX-8350 to Bridgett and it will go in Azza Blue. (She's gonna have to buy an H80 to cool that sucker though.)

Hawaii does better at higher resolutions because it has 64 ROPs, whereas GK110 only has 48, and this means Hawaii has a much greater pixel fillrate. I just don't understand the poor Crossfire scaling I'm getting in Valley at 1080p. I asked another member with 2 290s and an FX-8350 (Sgt Bilko) and he gets roughly the same results on that bench. So it's not just me.

I know what you mean about not looking at the outer monitors, I mostly stare at the middle monitor but my vision is decent with glasses so I still feel more immersed. Also, I turn my head and look at the side monitors when I'm driving a car or something and just appreciate the scenery. I really do like having Eyefinity. Tbh I don't game as much as I would like, I used to stay up for 3 days at a time without sleep playing Ragnarok Online and WoW. I can't do that anymore. I'm only getting older, not younger and a lot of days my back is sore and I don't want to sit in a computer chair for 8 hours. Also, I live with my family and girlfriend and really enjoy spending time with everyone. I feel happier doing things with others now than sitting on my own and playing games. I bench a LOT for hwbot, you can see my standing if you click the link below my avatar, so my system is also used for that. It's more of a project to build the coolest looking, most powerful computer I can at this point, and I sometimes wonder about it's practicality and if the money I'm spending is worth it. I definitely enjoy gaming on it when I do but it's not something I can do all the time anymore. A lot of days I just end up on the couch watching anime.... I really need to invest in a larger hard drive eventually so I don't have to keep deleting anime when I finish it.

I can't tell if I'm getting 100% GPU usage because I have no way to monitor it. If I try and run Valley with Afterburner open, Valley doesn't load and gives me some kind of DirectX11 error then switches to Window mode. I usually use Trixx to overclock, always have, but it has no OSD. I started using Afterburner to monitor card load and temps because the other software I use, PlayClaw5, doesn't monitor the second GPU. It will display fps, cpu usage, and my first card but there's a bug where it doesn't show the second card and the developers haven't fixed it yet. Besides, PlayClaw never shows up in benchmarks for me anyway for some reason, only in games...

I've been to WGSF. For most of the games I play, there's an app called Flawless Widescreen that fixes problems with most of them. It's a necessity for Skyrim.
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the only thing i heard while reading this is your rig screaming "reference cards" and "watercooling " XD XD XD

hahahaha kidding

nice upgrade path reminds me of mine

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Yeah, I never had any plans to water cool because it's either one thing or another: high end cards OR water cooling my cards, not both, no way the girlfriend would let me.

If I were going to water cool I wouldn't have got Tri-X, I'd have gotten reference.

Cool that you have all the rigs. I still have all the parts that were ever in Big Red, just in different builds.
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http://hwbot.org/user/neurotix/

So I decided to do a few benches with my FX-8350 and 290s before I get my i7 and board tomorrow.

All benches were done with the FX-8350 at 5ghz and the cards at 1100/1500mhz. (I've noticed extremely diminishing returns with the cards higher than 1100mhz on the core. Like, my 3dmark scores are lower at 1150mhz and Valley gives me .2 fps more between 1100 and 1150mhz.)












http://hwbot.org/submission/2520555_

http://hwbot.org/submission/2520558_

http://hwbot.org/submission/2520559_

Not bad. We'll see how much better they are once I overclock my i7.
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Just going to guess, but I know the scores will be higher LOL. I am curious to see if the graphics scores will be any higher or not.
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They might be because of PCI-E 3.0, but I guess we'll find out in a few days.
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