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Thanks Mega.

Yeah, I ended up just mimicking my settings for my Crosshair V in the Digi+ VRM section, pretty much just like you said.

Unfortunately, it seems I have a dog of a chip. In the Haswell overclocking thread, in the spreadsheet, I see people doing 4.5ghz with 1.25v and so on. Well, this one won't even do 4.5ghz with 1.375v and 2.1 VCCIN. The temps were only 80C or so and it wasn't throttling, thankfully. I think with around 1.4v I could get it stable but temps would be bad, and I think that's excessively high and might degrade the chip over time. I can't shake the feeling that there's something I'm missing, perhaps CPU PLL voltage or something. For now, I'm at 4.4ghz with 1.35v, I'm still testing it. RAM is at 2400mhz 11-11-11-30 2T 1.65v which is exactly what I ran it at on my Vishera, it seems to be stable. Even at 4.4ghz this chip blows my FX-8350 out of the water for benching and gaming.

I just ran a ton of benchmarks and got a lot of points on hwbot. I'm not done yet because I still need to run 3dmark05, 3dmark03, Cloud Gate, Ice Storm, Pcmark Vantage, Pcmark 2005 and PCmark 2004. Yes, I run absolutely everything, you never know when you'll get a cup or points for some old ass benchmark.

You guys can see all the benches I did here: http://hwbot.org/user/neurotix/

Additionally, here's Fire Strike at 4.4ghz with cards at 1100/1500:



FX-8350 @ 5ghz:

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So I took some pictures of the stuff in my basement in case anyone is curious.

I keep all my parts boxes so I can resell them later and get more money. I'm not sure if it matters, but I learned the hard way since I threw away all my video game boxes as a kid. Imagine if I had kept my Chrono Trigger box and manual... I could probably get $200 for that now.

Here's my i7 die and batch number.
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It's a dog, it needs 1.35v just to do 4.4ghz.
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Random stuff on the floor and on some shelving at the bottom of the stairs.




Closet with graphics card and monitor boxes.



Inside the purple box is my small fan collection.
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Thanks Mega.

Yeah, I ended up just mimicking my settings for my Crosshair V in the Digi+ VRM section, pretty much just like you said.

Unfortunately, it seems I have a dog of a chip. In the Haswell overclocking thread, in the spreadsheet, I see people doing 4.5ghz with 1.25v and so on. Well, this one won't even do 4.5ghz with 1.375v and 2.1 VCCIN. The temps were only 80C or so and it wasn't throttling, thankfully. I think with around 1.4v I could get it stable but temps would be bad, and I think that's excessively high and might degrade the chip over time. I can't shake the feeling that there's something I'm missing, perhaps CPU PLL voltage or something. For now, I'm at 4.4ghz with 1.35v, I'm still testing it. RAM is at 2400mhz 11-11-11-30 2T 1.65v which is exactly what I ran it at on my Vishera, it seems to be stable. Even at 4.4ghz this chip blows my FX-8350 out of the water for benching and gaming.

I just ran a ton of benchmarks and got a lot of points on hwbot. I'm not done yet because I still need to run 3dmark05, 3dmark03, Cloud Gate, Ice Storm, Pcmark Vantage, Pcmark 2005 and PCmark 2004. Yes, I run absolutely everything, you never know when you'll get a cup or points for some old ass benchmark.

You guys can see all the benches I did here: http://hwbot.org/user/neurotix/

Additionally, here's Fire Strike at 4.4ghz with cards at 1100/1500:



FX-8350 @ 5ghz:


You will not have near as much fun overclocking an Intel chip as you had with the FX, plain and simple they are way harder to overclock and a lot less fun. The upside is the benchmarks, you will get higher scores with a 4770k. It's a trade off. I have thought about switching several times but just decided that a new case and nice watercooling system would be a better choice for me. Then I could have fun getting it past 5.0 Ghz and it will look good doing it. I am more of a hardware guy anyway, I love benching to but I don't even compare my bench's against Intel systems because the way most of them have been designed benefit Intel much more. I like to overclock though and AMD is a pleasure to do this with. I game some, not a lot but the actual difference in gaming most folks wouldn't be able to notice at all.
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You will not have near as much fun overclocking an Intel chip as you had with the FX, plain and simple they are way harder to overclock and a lot less fun. The upside is the benchmarks, you will get higher scores with a 4770k. It's a trade off. I have thought about switching several times but just decided that a new case and nice watercooling system would be a better choice for me. Then I could have fun getting it past 5.0 Ghz and it will look good doing it. I am more of a hardware guy anyway, I love benching to but I don't even compare my bench's against Intel systems because the way most of them have been designed benefit Intel much more. I like to overclock though and AMD is a pleasure to do this with. I game some, not a lot but the actual difference in gaming most folks wouldn't be able to notice at all.

I'm having fun with it so far but it's limit is much lower than AMD; it simply doesn't clock as high. I think it's as much fun, if not more, because now my benchmarks don't suck. I take benchmarking pretty seriously and that's why I'm ranked very high on HWBOT (top 20 in the US now for non-extreme cooling). Benchmarking this thing has been a blast and an absolute joy because I have way better performance even if the clocks are lower. Based on my experience, I would say that for an FX chip to compare to my setup it would have to be at 6ghz or more to get the same scores- and even then it probably couldn't because the memory and cache are much slower.

As far as it being harder, it isn't really, just more frustrating. FX crashes more gracefully. When overclocking my FX I don't think I ever had a time where I BSODed loading Windows. Prime95 with too little voltage would cause cores to fail, but not BSODs. Overclocking this thing is a pain because I have to reboot the computer constantly when it crashes. I had a Pentium 4 system back in the day but it was OEM and the bios was locked down, so I couldn't overclock it. I've been overclocking AMD since the AMD K6-2. We had that machine for a long time, running at 450mhz instead of 350mhz. I had to use jumpers on the motherboard to overclock it. Anyway my point is that I've never overclocked Intel and it was time to learn it on a modern system. I'm glad I did, even if I'm still learning.

As far as actual gaming performance goes? From what I've seen so far, my fps is the same in most of the games I play: so high it doesn't matter. That's with all the graphics settings all the way up but AA on FXAA or the lowest setting. Not sure why people want super high AA on everything, it cripples your framerate and I can't tell the difference between FXAA and 8x MSAA anyway. Skyrim, Sleeping Dogs, Just Cause 2 all run beautifully in Eyefinity. I haven't tried BF4 yet because I don't really play multiplayer shooters. I have it but I just play the campaign. I'd need to load it onto my D: drive from my external USB hard drive with all my games on it. wink.gif I also got Thief but haven't tried it yet. Even in Eyefinity, those games I mentioned run at 120fps or more and my monitors are only 60hz. The performance seems a little bit better, in certain sections of Sleeping Dogs like riding fast on a motorcycle my fps would dip to 40 or so with my FX-8350, now those sections aren't as bad. TBH I really need to do more testing with my setup, I've been benching it but not really gaming.

Took a few pics.
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Those are about the absolute limit of what this setup can do. CPU at 4.6ghz, top card at 1200/1500 and bottom card at 1150/1500.
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I'm having fun with it so far but it's limit is much lower than AMD; it simply doesn't clock as high. I think it's as much fun, if not more, because now my benchmarks don't suck. I take benchmarking pretty seriously and that's why I'm ranked very high on HWBOT (top 20 in the US now for non-extreme cooling). Benchmarking this thing has been a blast and an absolute joy because I have way better performance even if the clocks are lower. Based on my experience, I would say that for an FX chip to compare to my setup it would have to be at 6ghz or more to get the same scores- and even then it probably couldn't because the memory and cache are much slower.

As far as it being harder, it isn't really, just more frustrating. FX crashes more gracefully. When overclocking my FX I don't think I ever had a time where I BSODed loading Windows. Prime95 with too little voltage would cause cores to fail, but not BSODs. Overclocking this thing is a pain because I have to reboot the computer constantly when it crashes. I had a Pentium 4 system back in the day but it was OEM and the bios was locked down, so I couldn't overclock it. I've been overclocking AMD since the AMD K6-2. We had that machine for a long time, running at 450mhz instead of 350mhz. I had to use jumpers on the motherboard to overclock it. Anyway my point is that I've never overclocked Intel and it was time to learn it on a modern system. I'm glad I did, even if I'm still learning.

As far as actual gaming performance goes? From what I've seen so far, my fps is the same in most of the games I play: so high it doesn't matter. That's with all the graphics settings all the way up but AA on FXAA or the lowest setting. Not sure why people want super high AA on everything, it cripples your framerate and I can't tell the difference between FXAA and 8x MSAA anyway. Skyrim, Sleeping Dogs, Just Cause 2 all run beautifully in Eyefinity. I haven't tried BF4 yet because I don't really play multiplayer shooters. I have it but I just play the campaign. I'd need to load it onto my D: drive from my external USB hard drive with all my games on it. wink.gif I also got Thief but haven't tried it yet. Even in Eyefinity, those games I mentioned run at 120fps or more and my monitors are only 60hz. The performance seems a little bit better, in certain sections of Sleeping Dogs like riding fast on a motorcycle my fps would dip to 40 or so with my FX-8350, now those sections aren't as bad. TBH I really need to do more testing with my setup, I've been benching it but not really gaming.

Took a few pics.
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http://hwbot.org/submission/2523418_
http://hwbot.org/submission/2523417_
http://hwbot.org/submission/2523416_

Those are about the absolute limit of what this setup can do. CPU at 4.6ghz, top card at 1200/1500 and bottom card at 1150/1500.


Everything you said proved my point, Intel is a pain to overclock, you focus on benchmarks above all, which is OK if that's what you care about, and gaming is eh, so close between the 2 it really doesn't matter to the average user. I hate all of the red vs blue crap, everyone should go with what's comfy for them and not judge others for their choices.
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Not judging anyone for their choice, an AMD chip is still suitable for gaming. You will, however, get better frame rates with Intel in most games. You'll also get much better benchmark scores.

I wanted the best of the best and don't plan on upgrading for at least 3 years. So this setup is going to last a long time. I'll upgrade my cards before I upgrade the cpu and motherboard. I will probably wait till they have DDR4, PCI-E 4.0 and SATA 12gbps (or whatever's next). For the cards, I'm going to wait until they have a single AMD card with 128 ROPs (so one card is more powerful than my 290s in Crossfire).
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Alright, my red 8-pin cable finally came, so here's the pictures.
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Looks good, I hate stock cables. You ever considered at different case with more room?
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Looks good, I hate stock cables. You ever considered at different case with more room?

His case is already pretty massive as it is, and it's a pretty good quality methinks.
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