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No because 500 dollar GPU's are usable out of the box. Windows 8 metro is not.
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what part of working out of the box did you and your kind not comprehend?

how about buying some fried chicken where it is burnt, all you have to do is peel away the burnt part.
how about buying a juice where it is too sweet, all you have to do is add water to dilute.
how about buying a shirt with a un finish seam, all you have to do is sew that up.

how about buying win8 with broken metro, all you have to do is add 3rd party software to hide metro.

if you are on microsoft's payroll. just say so.
better yet. how about you and your kind stop using everything that is actually working out of the box so you can explore, find new things and actually work at fixing it.

so so so done beating this dead horse.

But the problem is for your opinion(s), that windows 8 DOES work and is hardly broken, only working as intended. And that works well, too. The underlying OS is superior to Windows 7 itself.

The real problem is, some simply don't like the changes they made. I am one of them, I'm still on Win 7. However, I do not sit here and wrongfully say it is broken..

P.S. A $500 gpu is not usable outside of the box, you need to install it, make sure you have updated drivers, hope the psu is enough, etc. Far more intense then the metro screen I'm afraid wink.gif

Yeah Win8 isn't broken...I am sure it is living up to every requirement of its tech sheet, but just because something is working as intended doesn't mean that the intended function will be liked by the masses.

Though I can see their point...would you go back and buy chicken again from some place that required you to "mod" the chicken before you could eat it? Or would you recommend it to a friend? When people go buy something...they typically expect it to be ready for them to enjoy with no modification on their part.

I use Win8.1 as is "out of the box", but only for personal usage...if I am working at home I use a Win7 install. For personal usage where you aren't digging for applications much and only have a few pieces of software installed anyway...it is fine. Not really any different then Win7 since for causal use you shouldn't ever have to leave the Desktop very often.
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what part of working out of the box did you and your kind not comprehend?

how about buying some fried chicken where it is burnt, all you have to do is peel away the burnt part.
how about buying a juice where it is too sweet, all you have to do is add water to dilute.
how about buying a shirt with a un finish seam, all you have to do is sew that up.

how about buying win8 with broken metro, all you have to do is add 3rd party software to hide metro.

Beautifully said.

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P.S. A $500 gpu is not usable outside of the box, you need to install it, make sure you have updated drivers, hope the psu is enough, etc. Far more intense then the metro screen I'm afraid wink.gif

Well, by the same token, windows 8 (or XP or 7 or any OS, for that matter) needs to be installed with drivers, etc., as well. Or at least for most of us here this is true, unless you bought a pre-built PC with windows on it.
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That's exactly what I did for the first week on and off... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
in order to make Windows 8 how I'd like it rolleyes.gif.

Nothing but respect for that, making some work the way you want it to when it does not is what being an enthusiast is all about.

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how about buying win8 with broken metro, all you have to do is add 3rd party software to hide metro.

if you are on microsoft's payroll. just say so.
better yet. how about you and your kind stop using everything that is actually working out of the box so you can explore, find new things and actually work at fixing it.
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So what exactly is broke, what about keeps the OS from performing it's functions? Your on an enthusiast web site, that means the people here like to push the boundaries. see what the tech offers. When we see something new we do not whine about it being broken we find out what changed and figure out how to make it do what we want it to do.

The Metro OS works just fine for keyboard and mouse, the MYTH that it does not is pure BS made up by people that never bothered to use it. Windows 8 does have two changes that caught people off guard. A lot of the functionality is now in right clicks and specific screen locations. The other is the fact that the interface between Metro and desktop apps is a bit kludgy, but neither of these make the OS unusable. In fact Windows 8 from a pure OS perspective is a pretty nice improvement over Windows 7 in terms of performance and resource usage.

Now for the record I DO NOT work for MS. However I find it sad when the tech enthusiast community has so many cry babies in it. Serious this is supposed to be the community that spends $50 for new coolers to make their CPU run outside the way it does out of the box. Builds water cooling units for the same reason. Will spend all sorts of time and money to make their computer work differently than the parts where designed to work and then will ***** because to make the OS give them back a Start Menu they are attached to they must expend a little effort.

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Nothing but respect for that, making some work the way you want it to when it does not is what being an enthusiast is all about.
So what exactly is broke, what about keeps the OS from performing it's functions? Your on an enthusiast web site, that means the people here like to push the boundaries. see what the tech offers. When we see something new we do not whine about it being broken we find out what changed and figure out how to make it do what we want it to do.

The Metro OS works just fine for keyboard and mouse, the MYTH that it does not is pure BS made up by people that never bothered to use it. Windows 8 does have two changes that caught people off guard. A lot of the functionality is now in right clicks and specific screen locations. The other is the fact that the interface between Metro and desktop apps is a bit kludgy, but neither of these make the OS unusable. In fact Windows 8 from a pure OS perspective is a pretty nice improvement over Windows 7 in terms of performance and resource usage.

Now for the record I DO NOT work for MS. However I find it sad when the tech enthusiast community has so many cry babies in it. Serious this is supposed to be the community that spends $50 for new coolers to make their CPU run outside the way it does out of the box. Builds water cooling units for the same reason. Will spend all sorts of time and money to make their computer work differently than the parts where designed to work and then will ***** because to make the OS give them back a Start Menu they are attached to they must expend a little effort.

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I don't get it either. I actually prefer Metro now that I have it set up the way I like. It too me a good hour or so the first time but now I'm pretty good at it and can set it up from scratch in about 15min. My most commonly used apps and games have tiles, the rest its just win-type-enter. Same thing i would have done with a start menu.
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However I find it sad when the tech enthusiast community has so many cry babies in it. Serious this is supposed to be the community that spends $50 for new coolers to make their CPU run outside the way it does out of the box. Builds water cooling units for the same reason. Will spend all sorts of time and money to make their computer work differently than the parts where designed to work and then will ***** because to make the OS give them back a Start Menu they are attached to they must expend a little effort.

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That's the one thing I don't understand myself. For the record, I don't like Metro on the desktop; said so many times before. But if I were on Windows 8, I'd just use one of the third-party utilities that are out there and take all of a minute or two to install and run, and then I wouldn't have to deal with Metro on the desktop. When I upgraded to Windows XP, I didn't like the Category View on the Control Panel or the Desktop Cleanup Wizard. I turned them both off. When I got 7 (after skipping Vista), I didn't like UAC; seemed like a nanny for the computer illiterate and ignorant to me. I turned it off and didn't worry about it anymore.

Make Windows work for you. To me, putting Start8 on Windows 8 is no different than someone adding a dock or using Rainmeter; it's just customizing the system to your liking. By the time I moved away from XP, my XP desktop was so radically different than the original that some people swore I was booting into some Linux distro. There's no need to complain about Windows 8; if you're an OCN user and think it needs to be 'fixed,' it's easy to fix. For Mr. Joe Average who buys a new computer off the shelf at Best Buy every five years, it's not going to matter. They're going to use whatever's on there and learn how to use it anyway.

You can use Windows 8 and restore the old functionality in a cinch, or if you prefer, you can keep using Windows 7. It still works great, will still be supported by Microsoft for almost six more years, and is still the 'baseline' OS for most software written today.
     
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However I find it sad when the tech enthusiast community has so many cry babies in it. Serious this is supposed to be the community that spends $50 for new coolers to make their CPU run outside the way it does out of the box. Builds water cooling units for the same reason. Will spend all sorts of time and money to make their computer work differently than the parts where designed to work and then will ***** because to make the OS give them back a Start Menu they are attached to they must expend a little effort.

kookoo.gif
That's the one thing I don't understand myself. For the record, I don't like Metro on the desktop; said so many times before. But if I were on Windows 8, I'd just use one of the third-party utilities that are out there and take all of a minute or two to install and run, and then I wouldn't have to deal with Metro on the desktop. When I upgraded to Windows XP, I didn't like the Category View on the Control Panel or the Desktop Cleanup Wizard. I turned them both off. When I got 7 (after skipping Vista), I didn't like UAC; seemed like a nanny for the computer illiterate and ignorant to me. I turned it off and didn't worry about it anymore.

Make Windows work for you. To me, putting Start8 on Windows 8 is no different than someone adding a dock or using Rainmeter; it's just customizing the system to your liking. By the time I moved away from XP, my XP desktop was so radically different than the original that some people swore I was booting into some Linux distro. There's no need to complain about Windows 8; if you're an OCN user and think it needs to be 'fixed,' it's easy to fix. For Mr. Joe Average who buys a new computer off the shelf at Best Buy every five years, it's not going to matter. They're going to use whatever's on there and learn how to use it anyway.

You can use Windows 8 and restore the old functionality in a cinch, or if you prefer, you can keep using Windows 7. It still works great, will still be supported by Microsoft for almost six more years, and is still the 'baseline' OS for most software written today.

I think it is just some people can install Win7 and have it ready to go 100%...without doing anything. If it weren't for all the gadgets I use, I could even say that. A lot of people want to install their OS, change their desktop background, and then start using it.

Though honestly, most of the dislike I have with Win8 is from helping less computer savy people...there are a lot of people out there that are completely dumbfounded by the GIU change.
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The transition from XP to Win 7 (lets ignore Vista for the moment) was intuitive and logical. My 70 year old father when switched a couple of years ago from XP to 7 got it almost immediately with minimum fuss.

Windows 8 is a step backwards... Maybe if the user is coming from a MAC or is a first time user, there is a logic to it but for anyone else coming from the PC environment, it is definitely not user friendly. My father bought his wife a laptop in January that came with Windows 8. Now to clarify neither of them are techie's, they can turn on a pc, browse the web, use office and tax software and that's about it. XP and later Windows 7 worked admirably for those things.

3 days into ownership, I spent the better part of 3 hours on the phone with the two of them trying to explain how to do the simple things they did before (like moving pictures into folders, using their accounting software etc).

I still ended up having to drive to my dad and then spent half a day with them showing them on the laptop how to use it.

In the end, he took it back...

I'm not sure who Windows 8 was targeted at. I read the marketing surveys pre-release and there was a lot of negative feedback from test groups before launch (several of those articles were posted here). I can say for a certainty that casual users with very limited computer skills that have used any prior version of Windows absolutely hate Windows 8. Of the 30 or so people I know personally that have gone to Win8 (mostly due to buying new desktops and laptops), not a single one of them was happy, frustration being the most common result.

I would classify myself as a power user; I am intimately familiar with all versions of Windows (going back to 3.0) and I hate Windows 8 with a passion despite giving it plenty of time. If a power user cannot stand to use it and 30 out of 30 casual users cannot stand to use it, who exactly is it for?


It would be interesting to start a poll here at OCN as to the ages of those defending Windows 8. I would bet that those that support it are in the 16-30 year old range. That is typically the age where people are willing to accept paradigm shifts in how they do things. For the rest of us older folks, our typical attitude is if we spend money on something, we should not have to relearn how to use it, learn multiple keyboard shortcuts (seriously?) or get frustrating trying to perform the simplest of tasks.
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The response that was received on Windows 8 was inevitable I suppose

The basic architecture, as far as a user goes, has been the same for years... you have a desktop, it has icons and there's a bunch of folders you can save your stuff into.

For MS to introduce the UI on desktops as well as tablets was a big gamble.

When I first got a hold of the preview edition I hated 8 and I mean really hated it. It was a big change and that's the most relevant thing here... it was a big change.

Regardless of how functionally better/worse it is considered to previous versions, if you take something that a worldwide user base is familiar with and change its UI radically... in the nature of all things that is human, the mass majority aint going to like it.

Personally, I got to like it and in some respect I think it was good that MS at least tried something new.

Recently MS stated they were going to distance themselves from the concept of the new UI in Win 9.

Lets hope that the mass reaction they received will at least go forward into making Win 9 an even better OS
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The Metro OS works just fine for keyboard and mouse, the MYTH that it does not is pure BS made up by people that never bothered to use it. Windows 8 does have two changes that caught people off guard. A lot of the functionality is now in right clicks and specific screen locations. The other is the fact that the interface between Metro and desktop apps is a bit kludgy, but neither of these make the OS unusable. In fact Windows 8 from a pure OS perspective is a pretty nice improvement over Windows 7 in terms of performance and resource usage

I'm really glad that Windows 8 does all these wonderful things for you, however, unfortunately for me it actually did not work out of the box - hell even Ubuntu has worked better for me out of the box than Win 8 other than gaming. It might have good kernel but the crappy UI just kills it's usability in effective manner for me. My screen is not touchy, besides it's about 90 cm from me and has about 2 meter diagonal and 5400x1920 resolution so even if it would it would be really inconvenient to touch it. Also the right clicks and specific locations does not work in reality all that well on desktop environment (especially at my resolution). It was really irritating to have "stuff" happen bcos the retarded daemon sitting in the background thought I was doing some-kind of magic gesture with my mouse. For the record I was on it for 6 months using it for 12..16h a day. It's ok when you can stomp the Metro away but it always finds a way to creep back out slapping you in face with something full screen and breaking your work rythm. Be it then a security update re-enabling it or switching some of your program defaults back to something metro related and the built in search seemed also hell bent on going for metro versions over the real programs whenever possible - search is relevant bcos thats the way I start them, win key plus start typing. I did like Win + X in Win 8 though.

It takes a lot more than good kernel to have a good operating system. Otherwise Linux or some other alternative would be already ruling the world as they do not have to drag all that legacy stuff (like registry) with them.

I'm sure it's fine with touchscreen. But on desktop it's like playing crappy console port on PC - it might work, might even be fun occasionally but you can tell that mouse and keyboard were not the intended control method for it.
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It's funny, much of the discussion is around the Metro UI, but personally it was the least of my issues with Windows 8. I installed StartIsBack and was done with it. There are in fact some nice apps that use that UI well.

The biggest issue for me was the dumbing-down of the desktop side of the OS. So many customization options I need have been removed (no way to change something even as simple as the default font), the awful ever-present Ribbon toolbar has no way of being disabling except via 3rd-party utilities - much like other things on this OS, unacceptable activities Microsoft snuck in including replacing the user's local account with a Live account when installing Metro apps, opening Bing.com upon internet re-connection, and various other non-disclosed, frustrating things.

There was a piece by the Verge called The Condescending UI, which went through the author's desire for a UI that let them engage with their OS on 'their own terms'. It sums up the idea nicely - for any OS I'd like the option to be in control, and customize the way I like, without the hand-holding. Windows 8 isn't that OS without a lot of research, utilities, and tweaks.
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