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This is honestly the way of the future, If your still stuck in the past and don't want to learn how to use it then your in luck windows xp, and windows 7 are both still easily found for sale. Its been confirmed by a microsoft employee i know personally metro is here to stay, and is in the next version of windows as well.

Thats fine. I'll have switched full over to Linux then. Tablet interface on a desktop isn't acceptable to me. Period.

Switching to Linux really isn't that hard really.
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This is honestly the way of the future, If your still stuck in the past and don't want to learn how to use it then your in luck windows xp, and windows 7 are both still easily found for sale. Its been confirmed by a microsoft employee i know personally metro is here to stay, and is in the next version of windows as well.

As pointed out - Windows is not the only operating system out there. If Microsoft is insisting on forcing a tablet UI down my throat and I would have to learn new UI anyway I would rather switch into an operating system that is intended to run on a desktop, not some tablet OS port. I can always run the few windows programs I might need in a virtual machine as I obviously already own a windows license. Ontly thing holding back most people, I would guess is that they are lazy and do not feel like learning the new UI if what they have currently works "good enough". If it is no longer so the alternatives are more intuitive and easier to use on desktop. It would take me probably about a month of lowered productivity and about week of rewriting the main scirpts I use to smooth out the kinks if I would switch to Linux today. As I atm have windows 7 then it's not worth it for me atm. But on 2020 .. well .. we'll see if Microsoft is still in desktop OS business then or is still trying to tell businesses that putting a tablet OS interface and pushing app store in their latest Server edition of their OS is bright idea.
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As pointed out - Windows is not the only operating system out there. If Microsoft is insisting on forcing a tablet UI down my throat and I would have to learn new UI anyway I would rather switch into an operating system that is intended to run on a desktop, not some tablet OS port. I can always run the few windows programs I might need in a virtual machine as I obviously already own a windows license. Ontly thing holding back most people, I would guess is that they are lazy and do not feel like learning the new UI if what they have currently works "good enough". If it is no longer so the alternatives are more intuitive and easier to use on desktop. It would take me probably about a month of lowered productivity and about week of rewriting the main scirpts I use to smooth out the kinks if I would switch to Linux today. As I atm have windows 7 then it's not worth it for me atm. But on 2020 .. well .. we'll see if Microsoft is still in desktop OS business then or is still trying to tell businesses that putting a tablet OS interface and pushing app store in their latest Server edition of their OS is bright idea.

To be fair a large amount of users these days are not people who have even heard of linux, let alone would know how to switch to it. Most people go down to their local wal-mart and buy a $500 laptop and use it for the next 4-5 years until it breaks to pieces.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324695104578414973888155516

"PC sales down by 14%"

Less people are buying PC's and going for tablets, so having microsoft focus on desktop OS's these days would be silly, when more and more of the market is mobile devices.
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To be fair a large amount of users these days are not people who have even heard of linux, let alone would know how to switch to it. Most people go down to their local wal-mart and buy a $500 laptop and use it for the next 4-5 years until it breaks to pieces.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324695104578414973888155516

"PC sales down by 14%"

Less people are buying PC's and going for tablets, so having microsoft focus on desktop OS's these days would be silly, when more and more of the market is mobile devices.

True. However, for simple uses Linux has come a long way and is actually pretty decent. In my opinion out-of-the box Ubuntu, for example, is simpler to use on a non-touchscreen device than out-of-the box Windows 8. All it would take would be walmart and the likes to start selline Linux OEM machines and that kind of users probably can't tell the difference as all they do is read email and watch cat pictures in the internet according to Microsoft wink.gif The problems with the Linux start when you want it to do something it does not do out-of-the-box.
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Ontly thing holding back most people, I would guess is that they are lazy and do not feel like learning the new UI if what they have currently works "good enough".

You know what. This is an amazing and ironic concept. How is it that these windows people find the idea of "windows 8 gave you a new UI, so if you're forced to learn something new, then so be it" to be acceptable, yet they find Linux and OSX to be blasphemy because they'll have to learn something new?
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You know what. This is an amazing and ironic concept. How is it that these windows people find the idea of "windows 8 gave you a new UI, so if you're forced to learn something new, then so be it" to be acceptable, yet they find Linux and OSX to be blasphemy because they'll have to learn something new?

It's not strictly about "having to learn something new" it's the issue that this new UI is crap on a non touchscreen device. IF they have to learn anything anyway they might as well learn something that works well with their intended input/output devices. Instead of "learning to live" with something crap just bcos Microsoft wants to push its app store.
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True. However, for simple uses Linux has come a long way and is actually pretty decent. In my opinion out-of-the box Ubuntu, for example, is simpler to use on a non-touchscreen device than out-of-the box Windows 8. All it would take would be walmart and the likes to start selline Linux OEM machines and that kind of users probably can't tell the difference as all they do is read email and watch cat pictures in the internet according to Microsoft wink.gif The problems with the Linux start when you want it to do something it does not do out-of-the-box.

As someone who's been both a Windows and Linux hacker, I can comfortably say that Linux is a more flexible OS than Windows is. I've had far more issues trying to bend Windows to doing stuff it doesn't do out of the box than I have with Windows.

That's not to say that Windows is inflexible / can't do non-conventional stuff. Just that in my experience it's easier doing so with Linux.
Edited by Plan9 - 3/30/14 at 6:24am
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As someone who's been both a Windows and Linux hacker, I can comfortably say that Linux is a more flexible OS than Windows is. I've had far more issues trying to bend Windows to doing stuff it doesn't do out of the box than I have with Windows.

That's not to say that Windows is inflexible / can't do non-conventional stuff. Just that in my experience it's easier doing so with Linux.

I'm not arguing against that smile.gif

What I was meaning, however, with "issues if you want to get it do something that it does not do out of the box" was that it can be harder to find help if you do not know what to do exactly to get it do what you want. For example, some years ago it was quite a nightmare to get Estonian national identity card reader working properly (it's a smartcard used as online ID for banking, e-signing, etc) in Ubuntu. Some guides were avialable ofc but they assumed things that are not obvious to person who is not all that fluent in Linux stuff. Nowadays it's working better as some kind of proper packet was assembled by Estonian linux community for that but it was just an example.

But if all one wants to do is to to watch youtube, read email and other generic computing tasks most Linux distros as far as I understand work wonderfully right out of the box or you can just use package manager and you get the stuff you need in pretty newbie firendly way. So Linux has come a long way and for general computing I would consider it to be an viable alternative for Windows even for your average home user. Keeping that in mind I think that Microsoft is playing russian roulette here with it's push for Metro and app-store aggravating majority of power users in the process. Atm Linux has this reputation of being "hard" OS but if they piss off enough power users so that they will just start suggesting Linux to whoever is relying on their advice in computer related things this can bite Microsoft hard some time down the road. I'm pretty sure that Walmart OEM's would sell Linux machines quite willingly if enough people would be asking for these.
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You know what. This is an amazing and ironic concept. How is it that these windows people find the idea of "windows 8 gave you a new UI, so if you're forced to learn something new, then so be it" to be acceptable, yet they find Linux and OSX to be blasphemy because they'll have to learn something new?

Ditto. It's amusing to see some of the justification for a UI such as Metro on the desktop, when OSes such as OSX has always been remarkably easy to use and consistent.
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Ditto. It's amusing to see some of the justification for a UI such as Metro on the desktop, when OSes such as OSX has always been remarkably easy to use and consistent.

Well OSX has been taking many steps backward, but although they've integrated a lot of things from iOS to OSX (like Launchpad to display all your apps to you like in iOS, and even the Notification center), they made it completely parallel to the OS as we know it. You don't HAVE to use Launchpad if you don't want to; all of your old methods of locating your programs are still on the table (without 3rd party apps, mind you.)

It's just like the "more descriptive error messages or a faster + more secure OS" statement: there's no reason that both couldn't have been done.

If they fuse the best of windows 7 with the best of windows 8, I think microsoft might actually have an excellent OS on their hands (or as good as a windows OS can be.)
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