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I don't either. Some of the more popular distributions have made the terminal all but useless ( well, not useless, but not needed ) for any general user. And unless you plan to go deeper into Linux, you really don't need to know the command line ( although, more knowledge is never a bad thing and the Linux command line is a lot more sane than that of Windows ). Even if you have to use it say once, you're usually given exactly what to write or better yet... copy & paste, keeping it all that easy.
With most users there is no such thing as "that easy" wink.gif

I honestly have to help some staff at work when my macros pop up with messages like "make sure you have an account open". The inevitable result? "Oh, so I need an account open?!".

I would hate to see them given a task that required a command line, copy and paste instructions or not biggrin.gif
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With most users there is no such thing as "that easy" wink.gif

I honestly have to help some staff at work when my macros pop up with messages like "make sure you have an account open". The inevitable result? "Oh, so I need an account open?!".

I would hate to see them given a task that required a command line, copy and paste instructions or not biggrin.gif

In the case of Linux gaming, we aren't talking about people who know nothing about computers ( at least, most times ). The first identifier of which is that they would actually have to install the OS, most of which we both agree, wouldn't be able to do so that nulls out all of those individuals. The ones that do make it past that, are more than capable of copy and pasting instructions, which is still 100 times easier than guiding them through a GUI that changes with every release...
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In the case of Linux gaming, we aren't talking about people who know nothing about computers ( at least, most times ). The first identifier of which is that they would actually have to install the OS, most of which we both agree, wouldn't be able to do so that nulls out all of those individuals. The ones that do make it past that, are more than capable of copy and pasting instructions, which is still 100 times easier than guiding them through a GUI that changes with every release...
Hmm, I dunno, I have a feeling a few non-techies may end up buying a steam box.

I've also known people to get themselves in all sorts of trouble trying to install ubuntu and whatnot biggrin.gif

Should be interesting seeing if the steambox does end up being user friendly enough for general users. Or if there are any (real) performance benefits for that matter.
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Hmm, I dunno, I have a feeling a few non-techies may end up buying a steam box.

I've also known people to get themselves in all sorts of trouble trying to install ubuntu and whatnot biggrin.gif

Should be interesting seeing if the steambox does end up being user friendly enough for general users. Or if there are any (real) performance benefits for that matter.

 

I agree with this.


Steambox is essentially Debian in Big Picture mode preinstalled on OEM configured hardware. Big Picture isn't exactly a complicated interface.

 

I've also had trouble once installing Ubuntu back in the single digit version days. But it was mostly due to its installer being incredibly anal and obtuse. Its improved a lot since then but it still insists on shrinking your primary Windows partition by default.

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If only this was part of WINE, that would be amazing drool.gif.
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If only this was part of WINE, that would be amazing drool.gif.

This is effectively exactly what WINE does for DirectX calls...
That said, I can't wait for the WINE devs to take advantage of this being open sour e, there are surely some things they can utilize in this.
    
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This is effectively exactly what WINE does for DirectX calls...
That said, I can't wait for the WINE devs to take advantage of this being open sour e, there are surely some things they can utilize in this.

This was one of my biggest hopes here. I'm sure there's plenty both WINE and Valve can do together to really push the limits.
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FYI all this is, is essentially a spell check for source code, specifically valve's games. it's hack they used to do basic open GL port. it's fairly useless form what i learned in the reddit thread. it won't benefit linux or wine in any way. all it does is replace specific DX calls with specific OGL calls in the source code.
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FYI all this is, is essentially a spell check for source code, specifically valve's games. it's hack they used to do basic open GL port. it's fairly useless form what i learned in the reddit thread. it won't benefit linux or wine in any way. all it does is replace specific DX calls with specific OGL calls in the source code.

A one to one source code mapper of functions can't be called useless. Any code generation you can get to validate past unit tests / functional tests which never had to have a developer specifically write, is a major win. How much this will help is another story, it could be that this isn't bringing any new knowledge to the table.
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