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post #11 of 55
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Originally Posted by mdocod View Post

Majin,

Compare the following to your build, see what you think...

CPU + Memory Combo: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz + G.Skill Ares 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 ($255 @ Newegg)
Faster, higher efficiency CPU and higher quality (lower voltage) memory.

Motherboard + PSU Combo: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H + Capstone 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ($127 @ Newegg)
upgrade to modular PSU and comparable quality/feature motherboard.

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Same

Optical Drive: Lite-On IHAS324-07 DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Similar

Keyboard+Mouse: Logitech Wireless Combo MK270 Wireless Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($23.99 @ Newegg)
Same

Total: $486.40
$15 less.

I've replicated the same part-coverage (no case?) as the original build, and pointed out why Kaveri is DOA@$185 for most builds.

The only time Kaveri is faster than the i5 is in specialized workloads. I don't believe you have described the sort of user who will gain anything from going Kaveri vs Haswell. Haswell has a very competent iGPU (excessive for browsing the web and playing cards, even has a very powerful hardware video decoder, one of the best available in ANY GPU in fact). I expect this Haswell will be faster and quieter while using less power than Kaveri for this type of build. Consider dropping to the i3-4130 to save ~$80.

AMD budget class stuff is really better suited to performance tuners and enthusiasts who are going to deviate from stock settings for the novelty of performance tuning. I have a hard time recommending AMD budget class stuff unless it is going to be performance tuned.
Kaveri is configurable to lower tdp so saving power is available on kaveri. Honestly it comes down to personal choice and no amount of fandom makes either better than the other.
post #12 of 55
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

And the case is?

I have a Cooler Master CM690II to put everything in.
post #13 of 55
Well the only chage I would have made is a better mobo for overclocking and support for faster ram
post #14 of 55
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Originally Posted by Durquavian View Post

Kaveri is configurable to lower tdp so saving power is available on kaveri.

The i5-4440 is STILL more efficient than the 45W clamped mode of Kaveri.

http://techreport.com/review/25908/amd-a8-7600-kaveri-processor-reviewed/12

The power consumption of the i5-4440 would fall between the i3 and i7 in this particular test, placing it smack on the same power consumption range as the Kaveri chip in "45W mode." Except, it would complete most jobs in less time, resulting in more time idling, which it also appears to do better. Yes, there is such a thing as "better."
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Honestly it comes down to personal choice and no amount of fandom makes either better than the other.

Fandom has nothing to do with it.

We have the ability to discern value, and pass judgement. I can clearly identify that "thing A" is a better material solution than "thing B" for a given problem. Choice or preference does not nullify this judgement. (evidence to the contrary would).

If it comes down to personal choice, why ask for advise in the first place? The whole PURPOSE of reaching out to people in a thread like this, is to gather insight from other peoples discernments. If one still chooses a solution based on a novelty, or a brand preference, or some other reason, that is perfectly fine.
Edited by mdocod - 3/13/14 at 2:12am
     
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post #15 of 55
im curious,

wouldnt it be just cheaper to buy a PC thats on sale for $300-$400 ??

that way you dont have to pay for the OS also.
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post #16 of 55
That wouldn't be any fun, and it would undoubtedly have garbage quality components.
     
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Seasonic G 550W Modular Fractal Design Core 3500 
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yes CM Seidon 120V SolydK OpenSuse 13.1 
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Linux Mint 9-32 bit // Linux Mint 17-64 bit  Manjaro Xfce Samsung 21.5" HannsG 21.5" sideways! 
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Seasonic G 550W Modular Fractal Design Core 3500 
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That wouldn't be any fun, and it would undoubtedly have garbage quality components.

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good enough reason for me biggrin.gif
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post #18 of 55
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good enough reason for me biggrin.gif

Yea, cheaped out case, mobo, psu etc meant to be sold to those who don't know any better - but building+oc fun is important too biggrin.gif
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post #19 of 55
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The other reason I want to build him one instead of buying a store bought PC is that he will be able to upgrade it later on rather than having to just buy another PC...
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OK, mdocod talked me into going with an Intel build as my father in law is unlikely to play anything more intensive than Solitaire so the AMD's IGP advantage is really moot. This is what I've come up with instead and I also filled it out into a full build just to see a worst case scenario (including mouse/KB, monitor and a case). Let me know what you think!



Seems to be a pretty powerful little system for $765 including a quad core Intel Core i5 and 8GB memory. I have a case as I mentioned in the OP but I'd really rather use that Prodigy as it would fit his smallish desk much better.
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