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OK, mdocod talked me into going with an Intel build as my father in law is unlikely to play anything more intensive than Solitaire so the AMD's IGP advantage is really moot. This is what I've come up with instead and I also filled it out into a full build just to see a worst case scenario (including mouse/KB, monitor and a case). Let me know what you think!



Seems to be a pretty powerful little system for $765 including a quad core Intel Core i5 and 8GB memory. I have a case as I mentioned in the OP but I'd really rather use that Prodigy as it would fit his smallish desk much better.

That motherboard isn't supported by that case.

I'd throw you a build, but I'm really tired. So I'll likely do that tomorrow.
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Looks pretty good less the case as mentioned...

Here's how to get a little more quality for the money IMO.


CPU + Memory Combo: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz + Ripjaws Series (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 ($252 @ Newegg)
Arguably a nicer "quality" RAM kit in this combo than "team" memory.

Motherboard + Power Supply Combo: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H MicroATX + Rosewill Capstone 450W ($124 @ Newegg)
Definitely a better motherboard. Heatsunk VRMs and a B85 feature-set, 4XDIMM slots, HDMI out, nicer integrated audio, USB 3.0 headers, more IO/sensors etc gives the machine more long term prospects, better flexibility, and more diagnostic capabilities.

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
If there is anything about this build I would recommend changing at an increased cost to implement it would be this. 240GB SSDs are only $50-60 more that this drive and that will cut all booting/loading times by 70-90%.

Case: Cougar Spike MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($40.98 @ Newegg)
The prodigy, is overpriced IMO, though there is a microATX version of it that I can't comment on, the ITX version is, IMO, a neat idea with numerous major implementation errors that make it a C- at best. There are SO MANY little areas in that case that if they had just shifted things a few milimeters, the whole case would be radically better. The plastic handles are VERY flimsy, I'm scared to lift the machine by them, which means they are just in the way. This basic "Cougar" case, is nothing special, but nor are they asking for special kinds of money either. Perhaps that's the reason I am so disenchanted with the bitfenix case. If it had been half the price I probably would have been impressed.

If you WOULD like to get something a little fancier than this cougar, I can throw you some ideas.

Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($15.00 @ Newegg)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($101.98 @ Newegg)

Monitor: LG IPS234V-PN 75Hz 23.0" Monitor ($135.00 @ Newegg)
23" IPS panel. I actually have one of these cheap LG IPS monitors over on my WIfe's machine and I think it looks great for the money. Really easy on the eyes and bright, holy crap it can get bright! I don't think the low response time should be a concern for most users. For general web browsing and stuff it is just very low strain to use IMO. On the other hand, if I had to pick between this nicer monitor, and the SSD, I might just go for the SSD myself. I have a couple basic "$100 21.5" panels and they work well enough.

Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($32.98 @ Newegg)
Hey that's a good deal on a pretty snazy looking backlit key/mouse combo. I may wind up ordering this for myself to replace my thrift store keyboard! nice find!

Total: $767.56 SHIPPED (all newegg pricing above)

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I tried to include the same parts list. Price winds up the same but the combo specials and more cost effective case afford some key upgrades.
     
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Like I said, I actually have a case I was planning on using but if I go small form factor on the mobo I feel like the case should match, otherwise there's tons of wasted space. Its a shame because I really like the Prodigy.
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Majin,

Compare the following to your build, see what you think...

CPU + Memory Combo: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz + G.Skill Ares 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 ($255 @ Newegg)
Faster, higher efficiency CPU and higher quality (lower voltage) memory.

Motherboard + PSU Combo: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H + Capstone 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ($127 @ Newegg)
upgrade to modular PSU and comparable quality/feature motherboard.

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Same

Optical Drive: Lite-On IHAS324-07 DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Similar

Keyboard+Mouse: Logitech Wireless Combo MK270 Wireless Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($23.99 @ Newegg)
Same

Total: $486.40
$15 less.

I've replicated the same part-coverage (no case?) as the original build, and pointed out why Kaveri is DOA@$185 for most builds.

The only time Kaveri is faster than the i5 is in specialized workloads. I don't believe you have described the sort of user who will gain anything from going Kaveri vs Haswell. Haswell has a very competent iGPU (excessive for browsing the web and playing cards, even has a very powerful hardware video decoder, one of the best available in ANY GPU in fact). I expect this Haswell will be faster and quieter while using less power than Kaveri for this type of build. Consider dropping to the i3-4130 to save ~$80.

AMD budget class stuff is really better suited to performance tuners and enthusiasts who are going to deviate from stock settings for the novelty of performance tuning. I have a hard time recommending AMD budget class stuff unless it is going to be performance tuned.

Better features and better performance for a similar price.Long term usability with socket compatibilty.


The i5 is faster than Kaveri at stock.It is also more expensive. The OP's intended user will notice zero difference in actual use. What he will notice if using this.The Kaveri is already overkill for the intended use.Money spent better elsewhere.
A8-6600K
A88x w/wifi +bluetooth
Samsung EVO OS SSD
1 TB storage
8GB 2133MHz RAM
$783 after promo codes


Is a system that will seem much faster than the one you outlined. Of course Windows 7 can be switched for W8 I selected,but W8 does load MUCH faster.

You get included wifi and bluetooth connectivity.
Blazing quick web performance with an OS SSD,along with 1TB storage.
You get HDMI in so user can connect stereo/dvd/blu-ray through to monitor.
Headphone amp.
2133MHz RAM....greatly extended usability and value vs 1333MHz
5ms response LCD vs 8ms


I guarantee you if you placed the system above against the previous suggested build there is not a user out there who would not choose the SSD included build. wink.gif
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Forgive me I had forgotten the context regarding the case (been a couple weeks). I think if it were me, I would still just snag an inexpensive microATX case like that cougar and save the CM690II for something else. That seems like a real waste of such an enthusiast class case.


Redwoodz,

Your post seems to be in response to something other than what was quoted. You're contrasting stuff that doesn't make any sense. Please consider contrasting the Richland based build to my build recommendation from post #22 above, rather than one from 2 weeks ago. You're onto a very good point. If the savings of going to richland affords an SSD, it would be worth it.

My perspective, was that the i5 has the same implementation cost as the Kaveri chip and is technically better for this build, but without an SSD, it's still mediocre at best.
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If there is anything about this build I would recommend changing at an increased cost to implement it would be this. 240GB SSDs are only $50-60 more that this drive and that will cut all booting/loading times by 70-90%.

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I don't want to do a dual drive setup in this system because my father in law will not understand the importance of keeping the C: drive clear of downloads and other stuff. SSD caching might be an option however but not with AMD...
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SSD caching with 2 physical drives would require an H87 board. Best way to achieve that elsewhere is to snag one of the Seagate hybrid drives instead.

Unless the machine actually *needs* more than 240GB, then there's no reason that an SSD based system has to be a multiple system drive. I intended to imply that the mechy should be *replaced* with an SSD if the budget allows. wink.gif
     
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I don't want to do a dual drive setup in this system because my father in law will not understand the importance of keeping the C: drive clear of downloads and other stuff. SSD caching might be an option however but not with AMD...

Yep then swap out the 128GB & HDD with a $159 250GB Samsung EVO and be done with it. I just replaced my fathers 2002 P4 system with an APU build with just the 128GB. That was an upgrade from his 80GB HDD,and it was never half way full.. He is ecstatic with how snappy it is. wink.gif
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i3-4130 is technically a little faster and dissipates a lot less power than a richland chip. Either would work fine. Do richland if you're looking for an excuse to do an AMD build, otherwise I'd probably still lean towards the i3 in that price class as it's going to have more tolerance to long months or years between cleaning (dust load) and make less noise when the cpu load spikes.

The HSF that comes on the i3, is good for about 100W but the chip only dissipates about 50W under max load, so there's a lot of overhead in the design for dust loading and it will just run quieter while it's still clean.

The HSF that comes with Richland, is good for scrap metal. There's very little overhead at all.
     
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i3-4130 is technically a little faster and dissipates a lot less power than a richland chip. Either would work fine. Do richland if you're looking for an excuse to do an AMD build, otherwise I'd probably still lean towards the i3 in that price class as it's going to have more tolerance to long months or years between cleaning (dust load) and make less noise when the cpu load spikes.

The HSF that comes on the i3, is good for about 100W but the chip only dissipates about 50W under max load, so there's a lot of overhead in the design for dust loading and it will just run quieter while it's still clean.

The HSF that comes with Richland, is good for scrap metal. There's very little overhead at all.
And yet you persist....


Doesn't matter which platform. Features and options win the day in this case.I'm sure his cpu won't overheat playing solitaire.
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