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The GA-F2A88XN-WIFI for $10 more offers whatever amount of piece of mind the heatsink of the VRMs and built in wifi/blue-tooth offers. Blue teeth may actually be useful for this build in a few years when your pa can't even buy a regular phone anymore and is forced onto a smart phone (I'm just guessing here wink.gif lol )
     
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The GA-F2A88XN-WIFI for $10 more offers whatever amount of piece of mind the heatsink of the VRMs and built in wifi/blue-tooth offers. Blue teeth may actually be useful for this build in a few years when your pa can't even buy a regular phone anymore and is forced onto a smart phone (I'm just guessing here wink.gif lol )

Agreed.

also, if you want to save $25 on the build, use the promo code VMEMADNESS if you use the V.me payment method.

Also, I'm pretty sure this combo gives you cheapest, and fastest RAM at the moment.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1579894
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I'm a self-proclaimed know-it-all. I don't have any respect for you because I think you are a narrow minded AMD shill who routinely holds me to double standards.
You're missing the point. Nobody starts a thread to build a custom computer because they want something that will "just suffice." The whole point here was to try to get a nice quality machine made from high value known-quality parts. The conditions that you are holding ME TO if applied to the thread as a whole, would defeat the entire purpose of even having the thread in the first place.
Yes it would have worked fine, but I believe I made a very reasonable case for the i5 being a better choice in that price class for non-enthusiast users. If you disagree, explain why, quit complaining about me and start sharing some useful information. The only thing I see you doing here, id defending the AMD solution for the sake of defending the AMD solution with no basis in anything tangible besides "it's good enough."
You're admitting your favoritism for "locking in" that AMD CPU choice here. I don't believe there should be any "aura of protection" that locks in the decision to go AMD as soon as someone mutters the idea. Most of the people these days who are turning to AMD for a budget class build for family/friends are doing so under false pretenses lingering from a bygone era when AMD really had the faster, more efficient, more feature rich lower cost CPU. Intel isn't making P4's anymore. There are competitive options on both sides of the isle worth considering at every price class that AMD and Intel compete in.
Just because any CPU will work doesn't mean it's not possible to weigh the options and try to pick a "best solution." Knowing which is the better solution for a particular application is something I pride myself on because I do the homework to know the answer to that. I test, I read, I compare, I analyze, I measure. Simply put, you can call me a smart-A$$ because I am one and I have no problems with that. I am sitting in a room with a Haswell rig, an FX rig, and a Richland rig. I have direct experience with these CPUs and know where they stand. Beyond that I research this stuff with a passion.
Actually, asking loaded questions is FROWNED UPON here. It's BAD etiquette to step into a thread and just question everything in a loaded manner (planning an opportunity to "correct" someone). I *try* to avoid this behavior by cutting straight to the point because I believe it is far more respectful.
The only thing I am guilty of, is having the nerve, and the spine to say it like it is as far as CPUs are concerned among childish fanboys like yourself.
I am no shill being I have NEVER not once bashed Intel users for their choice nor have I lied in order to make the outcome favorable to my standpoint. Making such accusations is in poor choice and likely not one you would ever make present. Beyond that lets make some valid points:

Fact: This is your first post and notice no inquiring not even acknowledging the original stated use. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Majin,

Compare the following to your build, see what you think...

CPU + Memory Combo: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz + G.Skill Ares 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 ($255 @ Newegg)
Faster, higher efficiency CPU and higher quality (lower voltage) memory.

Motherboard + PSU Combo: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H + Capstone 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ($127 @ Newegg)
upgrade to modular PSU and comparable quality/feature motherboard.

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Same

Optical Drive: Lite-On IHAS324-07 DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Similar

Keyboard+Mouse: Logitech Wireless Combo MK270 Wireless Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($23.99 @ Newegg)
Same

Total: $486.40
$15 less.

I've replicated the same part-coverage (no case?) as the original build, and pointed out why Kaveri is DOA@$185 for most builds.

The only time Kaveri is faster than the i5 is in specialized workloads. I don't believe you have described the sort of user who will gain anything from going Kaveri vs Haswell. Haswell has a very competent iGPU (excessive for browsing the web and playing cards, even has a very powerful hardware video decoder, one of the best available in ANY GPU in fact). I expect this Haswell will be faster and quieter while using less power than Kaveri for this type of build. Consider dropping to the i3-4130 to save ~$80.

AMD budget class stuff is really better suited to performance tuners and enthusiasts who are going to deviate from stock settings for the novelty of performance tuning. I have a hard time recommending AMD budget class stuff unless it is going to be performance tuned.

Edited by mdocod - 3/12/14 at 12:42pm
From minute one You bashed AMD Kaveri, word usage is what matters: connotation.

I pointed out where the problem started and this isn't the only thread you have done this. Ask any poster, when the original build starts in the AMD or Intel thread it is in VERY POOR taste to go in and without provocation (the OP asking for the information contradictory to the original post build) giving said contradictory information. I don't condone others going into rival threads using negative language in the ruse of JUST giving information.

As far as Kaveri I do not think Good enough covers it. It is AMAZING. With the 14.3beta that sucker screams. It isn't the step down you like to pretend it is. At 45W it performs very well at nearly 80% of the 95W performance. The APU just releasedin Feb and it has only been 2 months, almost. The performance from launch has increased dramatically. NOW I WILL GO ON RECORD TO SAY THAT I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE i5 BUILD. I was not even trying to change the OPs mind, they made that decision and it isn't my place to tell them what they need to do. It saddened me that they had, more so when I felt the attempt at changing their decision to the i5 was poorly placed given the criteria. But I was not trying and nor did I the moment you started your debate. I have been following the thread since minute one just like the 8350 build, both of which I refrained from saying a word. But based on your assessment of me I should have been all over your first post, but I wasn't. Don't you think you are wrong about me?
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Alright guys, I think this is pretty close to what I want to do:



As I said, there are probably some good reasons to go Intel here in terms of power efficiency and familiarity but I've never built an AMD rig and this is a great opportunity to. I went with the A8 6600K instead of the A10 for budget, chose the cheapest 2400MHz memory I could find (somebody said memory speed was important with Kaveri), stuck with that Rosewill PSU as Twocables recommended it highly, went with the Prodigy because I just love the look of it and it will fit his desk perfectly, chose the ASRock mobo because I personally do not like Gigabyte mobo's (don't ask), the Crucial M500 240GB SSD because its the cheapest decent 240GB SSD I could find and I'm hoping that'll be enough capacity for him, and that CM Devastator KB?mouse combo because its a great deal (actually just ordered this for myself as my folding rig is in need of a new KB). Windows is missing in this list because my sister-in-law is a student at the local college and I can get her student discount on Win8.1 and to be honest, I can shave some budget if necessary as I have an 8GB kit of Corsair Vengeance memory sitting in my desk drawer that I'm not using. Thanks again for all you guys's help and sorry to start a mini-Intel/AMD flame war. thumb.gif

EDIT - Oh, and I also have a spare Hyper 212 if needed for the build. I'm not sure if it would fit in the Prodigy though?
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Might also do something like this for a single drive solution.
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chose the cheapest 2400MHz memory I could find (somebody said memory speed was important with Kaveri

2133mhz to 2400mhz is where performance gains get much lower, it'd be more worthwhile to save a few dollars on 2133mhz RAM.

Like these.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231519

The weaker the iGPU(A8-6600K has 256 cores, compared to 384 of the A10-6800K, or 512 of the a10-7800K), the less memory speeds has an impact on performance.
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I believe the Hyper 212 will fit nicely. Very nice choices,I know your father-in-law will be impressed. wink.gif
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Hell, I'm gonna want to play around with it more than him I bet!
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Hyper 212 should fit in the Prodigy as long as the socket isn't too close to the PCI-E slot of the board. I've seen people put a Phanteks PH-TC14PE in their Prodigy builds here and outside of OCN.
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That's true, I'm not sure if the Hyper 212 will work in that mini-ITX board? Oh well, I won't be OCing so the stock HSF should suffice if necessary.
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