Originally Posted by mdocod
I'm a self-proclaimed know-it-all. I don't have any respect for you because I think you are a narrow minded AMD shill who routinely holds me to double standards.
You're missing the point. Nobody starts a thread to build a custom computer because they want something that will "just suffice." The whole point here was to try to get a nice quality machine made from high value known-quality parts. The conditions that you are holding ME TO if applied to the thread as a whole, would defeat the entire purpose of even having the thread in the first place.
Yes it would have worked fine, but I believe I made a very reasonable case for the i5 being a better choice in that price class for non-enthusiast users. If you disagree, explain why, quit complaining about me and start sharing some useful information. The only thing I see you doing here, id defending the AMD solution for the sake of defending the AMD solution with no basis in anything tangible besides "it's good enough."
You're admitting your favoritism for "locking in" that AMD CPU choice here. I don't believe there should be any "aura of protection" that locks in the decision to go AMD as soon as someone mutters the idea. Most of the people these days who are turning to AMD for a budget class build for family/friends are doing so under false pretenses lingering from a bygone era when AMD really had the faster, more efficient, more feature rich lower cost CPU. Intel isn't making P4's anymore. There are competitive options on both sides of the isle worth considering at every price class that AMD and Intel compete in.
Just because any CPU will work doesn't mean it's not possible to weigh the options and try to pick a "best solution." Knowing which is the better solution for a particular application is something I pride myself on because I do the homework to know the answer to that. I test, I read, I compare, I analyze, I measure. Simply put, you can call me a smart-A$$ because I am one and I have no problems with that. I am sitting in a room with a Haswell rig, an FX rig, and a Richland rig. I have direct experience with these CPUs and know where they stand. Beyond that I research this stuff with a passion.
Actually, asking loaded questions is FROWNED UPON here. It's BAD etiquette to step into a thread and just question everything in a loaded manner (planning an opportunity to "correct" someone). I *try* to avoid this behavior by cutting straight to the point because I believe it is far more respectful.
The only thing I am guilty of, is having the nerve, and the spine to say it like it is as far as CPUs are concerned among childish fanboys like yourself.
I am no shill being I have NEVER not once bashed Intel users for their choice nor have I lied in order to make the outcome favorable to my standpoint. Making such accusations is in poor choice and likely not one you would ever make present. Beyond that lets make some valid points:
Fact: This is your first post and notice no inquiring not even acknowledging the original stated use.
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Compare the following to your build, see what you think...
CPU + Memory Combo: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz + G.Skill Ares 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 ($255 @ Newegg)
Faster, higher efficiency CPU and higher quality (lower voltage) memory.
Motherboard + PSU Combo: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H + Capstone 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ($127 @ Newegg)
upgrade to modular PSU and comparable quality/feature motherboard.
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On IHAS324-07 DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard+Mouse: Logitech Wireless Combo MK270 Wireless Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($23.99 @ Newegg)
I've replicated the same part-coverage (no case?) as the original build, and pointed out why Kaveri is DOA@$185 for most builds.
The only time Kaveri is faster than the i5 is in specialized workloads. I don't believe you have described the sort of user who will gain anything from going Kaveri vs Haswell. Haswell has a very competent iGPU (excessive for browsing the web and playing cards, even has a very powerful hardware video decoder, one of the best available in ANY GPU in fact). I expect this Haswell will be faster and quieter while using less power than Kaveri for this type of build. Consider dropping to the i3-4130 to save ~$80.
AMD budget class stuff is really better suited to performance tuners and enthusiasts who are going to deviate from stock settings for the novelty of performance tuning. I have a hard time recommending AMD budget class stuff unless it is going to be performance tuned.
Edited by mdocod - 3/12/14 at 12:42pm
From minute one You bashed AMD Kaveri, word usage is what matters: connotation.
I pointed out where the problem started and this isn't the only thread you have done this. Ask any poster, when the original build starts in the AMD or Intel thread it is in VERY POOR taste to go in and without provocation (the OP asking for the information contradictory to the original post build) giving said contradictory information. I don't condone others going into rival threads using negative language in the ruse of JUST giving information.
As far as Kaveri I do not think Good enough covers it. It is AMAZING. With the 14.3beta that sucker screams. It isn't the step down you like to pretend it is. At 45W it performs very well at nearly 80% of the 95W performance. The APU just releasedin Feb and it has only been 2 months, almost. The performance from launch has increased dramatically. NOW I WILL GO ON RECORD TO SAY THAT I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE i5 BUILD. I was not even trying to change the OPs mind, they made that decision and it isn't my place to tell them what they need to do. It saddened me that they had, more so when I felt the attempt at changing their decision to the i5 was poorly placed given the criteria. But I was not trying and nor did I the moment you started your debate. I have been following the thread since minute one just like the 8350 build, both of which I refrained from saying a word. But based on your assessment of me I should have been all over your first post, but I wasn't. Don't you think you are wrong about me?