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I would really not consider LGA2011 until Haswell-E comes out. Besides having 40 PCI-E lanes and 6-core CPUs available it has no advantages (and a number of disadvantages) over LGA1150.

Do you really need 3-way? Are you planning multi-monitor or 4K?
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Does the X79 chipset offer any other benefits, just out of curiousity?

Greater maximum possible RAM, more CPU cache, vastly superior RAM bandwidth (60GB/s vs 25GB/s). The former doesn't matter for most people (although it's nice to have that headroom in case you ever wanted to run a RAMdisk etc.) Most will argue that the latter two are irrelevant to gaming, but I'm not convinced. For example, you will sometimes see Ivy/Sandy Bridge-E CPUs outperform their Haswell counterparts in gaming CPU benchmarks that don't use more than four cores, despite the Haswells having higher IPC/theoretically better performance on a per-core basis. If a game runs faster on four IB-E cores than it does on four Haswell cores which have higher IPC, then it's possible that the cache or RAM bandwidth is coming into play.

The main advantages of z87 as far as I'm concerned are it's native USB 3.0 support and 6x native SATA III ports, whereas the x79 chipset doesn't do USB 3.0 (using third party controllers instead) and only supports 2x SATA III ports, with the rest being SATA II. Again, most x79 boards have some third party controllers to add extra SATA III ports, but these are generally not very good. It's also worth noting that x79 doesn't officially support TRIM for RAID SSDs, but I think there is a work around.

PCI-E 3.0 support was flaky in certain circumstances with x79 based systems using 3XXX (Sandy Bridge-E) series processors, but that's resolved with the 4XXX series (Ivy Bridge-E).

X79's SATA III deficit is obviously only an issue if you have more than two SATA III SSDs (which many people don't), and the native Intel USB 3.0 controller isn't all it's cracked up to be in my experience - I've had more compatibility issues with my z87's native USB 3.0 ports than the Renasas and Etron controlled ones on my older boards.
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I would really not consider LGA2011 until Haswell-E comes out. Besides having 40 PCI-E lanes and 6-core CPUs available it has no advantages (and a number of disadvantages) over LGA1150.

Do you really need 3-way? Are you planning multi-monitor or 4K?

Yeah I'm planning on running a triple 2560x1440 monitor setup or single 4K, so I'd like to have 3 cards, which should give me more than enough performance for quite a while at those resolutions.

I'm happy to wait for the Haswell-E processors & the newer motherboards that come with them. The build won't happen till 2nd half of this year, so I've got time on my side.
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Another member for the 'waiting for Haswell-E' club. Let's just hope we don't end up with a slew of early adopter bugs when it finally arrives.
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I think Haswell-E is like late Q3 or Q4 of this year, but if rhumors are true then 4820K will be replaced by 6 core, and 4630K will be replaced by 8 cores. It definitely sounds appealing.
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Another member for the 'waiting for Haswell-E' club. Let's just hope we don't end up with a slew of early adopter bugs when it finally arrives.

Ivy and Sandy-E has its own issues. Like lack of choice for good boards.
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Definitely doesn't seem to be much in the way of choice for X79 motherboards and no harm for me to wait until Haswell-E and see what it offers.

So I guess I'll just wait and see what motherboards are released for the X99 chipset biggrin.gif
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Ivy and Sandy-E has its own issues. Like lack of choice for good boards.

True, but the whole 'devil you know' thing comes to mind. I always advise against early adoption of new hardware, but I never take my own advice and pay for it repeatedly.

Actually, I did take my own advice for Haswell - I waited 6 months before getting my z87 board and still got landed with a bug that remains unfixed to this day, so I guess my strategy hasn't exactly worked has it...

Anyway, Intel's spotless track record is a thing of the past now, with the p67 SATA bug recall and then the z87 C1 bug, so I'm hoping x99 won't cop the next chipset bug, and also hoping that the board manufacturers can actually provide us with some boards that don't have their own handfull of bugs each.
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True, but the whole 'devil you know' thing comes to mind. I always advise against early adoption of new hardware, but I never take my own advice and pay for it repeatedly.

Actually, I did take my own advice for Haswell - I waited 6 months before getting my z87 board and still got landed with a bug that remains unfixed to this day, so I guess my strategy hasn't exactly worked has it...

Anyway, Intel's spotless track record is a thing of the past now, with the p67 SATA bug recall and then the z87 C1 bug, so I'm hoping x99 won't cop the next chipset bug, and also hoping that the board manufacturers can actually provide us with some boards that don't have their own handfull of bugs each.

Absolutely agree with you there. I'm lucky that my current PC is old enough that I didn't get caught up in any of those Intel issues.

I won't be rushing out the door on the first day to buy any Haswell-E products, I'll wait for a month or two, maybe longer, and wait for reviews and the prices to settle down a little bit. Won't be cheap going to the X99 chipset, with new motherboards, CPU & DDR4 ram as well.
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