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As someone else mentioned, Classifieds are always the best on paper, but if you're not gonna water-cool them, you're not necessarily gonna see performance that's superior to other high-end non-stock cards. They definitely have superior innards, but if you don't win the chip lottery, that won't matter much (although Classy chips are binned for their superior performance). Based on what I've read (but not personal experience), the Classified 780 and 780 Ti, in particular, often seem to underperform on air, as a consequence of using chips that are binned for superior performance under water (which is not necessarily the same as performance on air).

As someone else also mentioned, as a strict price/performance analysis, 780 Ti doesn't "beat" the 780, but it generally gives at least 10% better performance over the 780. If you're looking for the better card, rather than the better deal, the 780 Ti should be your choice. It'll last longer as a single card and in SLI.

Anyway, this was the reasoning behind my decision to purchase my non-Classified, non-stock 780 Ti. I was very impressed by the performance of my MSI GTX 580 Lightning cards, so I bought the well-reviewed MSI GTX 780 Ti Gaming card (only $10 more than stock).
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As someone else mentioned, Classifieds are always the best on paper, but if you're not gonna water-cool them, you're not necessarily gonna see performance that's superior to other high-end non-stock cards. They definitely have superior innards, but if you don't win the chip lottery, that won't matter much (although Classy chips are binned for their superior performance). Based on what I've read (but not personal experience), the Classified 780 and 780 Ti, in particular, often seem to underperform on air, as a consequence of using chips that are binned for superior performance under water (which is not necessarily the same as performance on air).

As someone else also mentioned, as a strict price/performance analysis, 780 Ti doesn't "beat" the 780, but it generally gives at least 10% better performance over the 780. If you're looking for the better card, rather than the better deal, the 780 Ti should be your choice. It'll last longer as a single card and in SLI.

Anyway, this was the reasoning behind my decision to purchase my non-Classified, non-stock 780 Ti. I was very impressed by the performance of my MSI GTX 580 Lightning cards, so I bought the well-reviewed MSI GTX 780 Ti Gaming card (only $10 more than stock).
so what are the best air cooled cards? i always use windforce gigabyte 780 since they are about 80-100eur cheaper than evga offerings here in europe

thank you
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Just about any GTX 780 will be able to overclock to around 1100 core. The Classy especially. The cooler will be quieter than reference models. For $20 extra on a card you'll keep a while I think you should get it no question.

most 780s should have no problem hitting 1200 core.
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As someone else mentioned, Classifieds are always the best on paper, but if you're not gonna water-cool them, you're not necessarily gonna see performance that's superior to other high-end non-stock cards. They definitely have superior innards, but if you don't win the chip lottery, that won't matter much (although Classy chips are binned for their superior performance). Based on what I've read (but not personal experience), the Classified 780 and 780 Ti, in particular, often seem to underperform on air, as a consequence of using chips that are binned for superior performance under water (which is not necessarily the same as performance on air).

As someone else also mentioned, as a strict price/performance analysis, 780 Ti doesn't "beat" the 780, but it generally gives at least 10% better performance over the 780. If you're looking for the better card, rather than the better deal, the 780 Ti should be your choice. It'll last longer as a single card and in SLI.

Anyway, this was the reasoning behind my decision to purchase my non-Classified, non-stock 780 Ti. I was very impressed by the performance of my MSI GTX 580 Lightning cards, so I bought the well-reviewed MSI GTX 780 Ti Gaming card (only $10 more than stock).
so what are the best air cooled cards? i always use windforce gigabyte 780 since they are about 80-100eur cheaper than evga offerings here in europe

thank you
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I bought the MSI GTX 780 Ti Gaming, for 5 reasons: (1) it's quieter than the other 780 Ti's, (2) it's cooler than the other 780 Ti's, (3) it's very well reviewed (e.g. http://tinyurl.com/pg58tds), (4) it's pretty cheap, and (5) my MSI GTX 580 Lightnings ran flawlessy (I had previously been an EVGA person). Classified may (may) get better clocks on air, but it's also $50 more, and a bit louder. Asus 780 Ti OC is pretty well-reviewed (and recommended by skynet), but a little louder/hotter than the MSI.

I'm already up to 1100mhz core/1800 memory, @ 105% power setting (Afterburner), with no hiccups.
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The 780 does well on stock settings. Stock and a small oc without raising voltage:


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OP should just get the MSI 780 Gaming and Over-volt it using the MSI Afterburner volt-mod. Lower cost, and performs like a classified or Lightning... My 3 770 gaming could do 1372Mhz on air while gaming with the volt-mod, and the twin-frozr IV cooler does a great job in single GPU mode.
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I bought the MSI GTX 780 Ti Gaming, for 5 reasons: (1) it's quieter than the other 780 Ti's, (2) it's cooler than the other 780 Ti's, (3) it's very well reviewed (e.g. http://tinyurl.com/pg58tds), (4) it's pretty cheap, and (5) my MSI GTX 580 Lightnings ran flawlessy (I had previously been an EVGA person). Classified may (may) get better clocks on air, but it's also $50 more, and a bit louder. Asus 780 Ti OC is pretty well-reviewed (and recommended by skynet), but a little louder/hotter than the MSI.

I'm already up to 1100mhz core/1800 memory, @ 105% power setting (Afterburner), with no hiccups.
i ve been reading that big 2 fan gpus are not very good when used in sli, tough 3 fan configurations like windforce or trix supposedly are

i also red that one needs in such case side fans, (i have like 4, so i can sli with no problem when i will have to), but what is your take on it. should all the side fans be intakes or set to be outtakes?

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if i was going aftermarket cooler it would have to be either gigabyte ghz windforce or directcu ii, most of evga fans are junk and break easy thumb.gif
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I suppose that having never been disappointed with Gigabyte hardware, it would be unfair of me to dismiss them in this instance tongue.gif
http://amzn.com/B00GGM6RB2 does look like a very nice card and it seems to have the highest clocks out of the box, bringing it very close to a stock 780 Ti.
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Throw in another vote for the 780 Classy, I absolutely love mine and the customer support is definitely worth going EVGA for. For what it's worth even with it being reliant on luck and all that, at stock voltage (1.150v) I can get the card up to 1228/7000 gaming stable.
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