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Just make yourself a hard target.
 
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So how will a robot know a real threat from a fake one. I doubt any system is intelligent enough to analyze previous data as well as current data and extrapolate the risk factor based on human qualities etc. Will I be getting a knock on my door for typing the words bomb and terror in the same sentence no matter how out of context it may be.
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So how will a robot know a real threat from a fake one. I doubt any system is intelligent enough to analyze previous data as well as current data and extrapolate the risk factor based on human qualities etc. Will I be getting a knock on my door for typing the words bomb and terror in the same sentence no matter how out of context it may be.

Thats the thing, robots dont discriminate. If It could be a threat, then it is a threat and will be obliterated with extreme prejudice... So yea, its Skynet
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WOW GUYS this is super srs. Srsly guys this is so srs.

But actually, why does anyone care? I certainly dont care at all if the NSA has access to my facebook posts or my emails. They certainly dont care about your internet porn, so why is everyone always up in arms about stuff that could really only impact criminals. Advantages of this system? Possibly having access to data that might possibly lead to crime prevention. I see no downsides as long as you are generally lawful.
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Thats the thing, robots dont discriminate. If It could be a threat, then it is a threat and will be obliterated with extreme prejudice... So yea, its Skynet

Yeah it's skynet but not nearly as illogical or ridiculous as the movie suggests it would be. Plus skynet was a full on artificial intellgience, that decided, for some arbitrary reason, to obliterate humanity. Not only would an AI not be concerned with humanity if it was fully sentient, but it would likely just leave the planet altogether to explore mysteries of the universe. But this thing is so far away from a true artificial intelligence that it's not even worth making the movie reference. Plus your assumption that robots dont discriminate is wrong. Robots do whatever they're programmed to do. If the designer was prejudiced, then it's likely those prejudices would show up in the output of the artificial intelligence.
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WOW GUYS this is super srs. Srsly guys this is so srs.

But actually, why does anyone care? I certainly dont care at all if the NSA has access to my facebook posts or my emails. They certainly dont care about your internet porn, so why is everyone always up in arms about stuff that could really only impact criminals. Advantages of this system? Possibly having access to data that might possibly lead to crime prevention. I see no downsides as long as you are generally lawful.

How naive...
1) Legally define "generally lawful". Everyone in America has broken a law in the last week. If someone felt vindictive or threatened, they could go down the route of singling a person out and claiming it's the law!
2) How can a democracy or republic operate if there is no privacy?

Possibly lead to crime prevention? So.... the years of phone metadata has yield exactly ZERO direct terrorist prevention. You know what would also lower crime? Martial law.
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WOW GUYS this is super srs. Srsly guys this is so srs.

But actually, why does anyone care? I certainly dont care at all if the NSA has access to my facebook posts or my emails. They certainly dont care about your internet porn, so why is everyone always up in arms about stuff that could really only impact criminals. Advantages of this system? Possibly having access to data that might possibly lead to crime prevention. I see no downsides as long as you are generally lawful.

You shouldn't approach this matter in such a light and one sided way. Of course some sort of oversight on the Internet is needed so the bad guys are prevented from doing bad things, but you have to consider that some bad guys can be anywhere, including in the places where only the good guys are supposed to be.

You are only describing part of the problem and ignoring what has been in the news lately. There are many other possibilities, some of which have been admittedly carried out, like economic and political espionage of foreign countries and companies, including allies; preventing people from legally doing their job by remotely deleting data that was necessary; altering data; framing people / entities by planting false data, the possibilities are endless and all it takes is somebody that is not abiding by the law, and the problem when the state in some cases contributes to deliberately weaken the security infrastructure is that other people not even in a place of power get the chance to exploit those security vulnerabilities.

Another problem is that without proper checks and balances you don't even get to know if the law is being followed by those with the incumbency to enforce it, so you have no idea how much and how often the power is being abused. People abusing the power they have is one of the biggest temptations of mankind, this is in the history books, nobody is inventing the wheel at this time in this regard, these are globally valid concerns, especially when it comes to something that can be carried out from a remote location with the press of a button. Technology in its current state has made it disproportionately easy for one party to abuse their power / responsibilities.
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NSA is slowly becoming a Skynet now. Should I be worry? biggrin.gif
    
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You shouldn't approach this matter in such a light and one sided way. Of course some sort of oversight on the Internet is needed so the bad guys are prevented from doing bad things, but you have to consider that some bad guys can be anywhere, including in the places where only the good guys are supposed to be.

The topic of corruption within out legal infrastructure remains largely irrelevant to most flippant every day Six-Pack Joes who have never experienced the likes of being fleeced or shook down by a dishonest law man, held or searched on a circumstantial at best reason, or been at conflict with another private entity that had the law in its pocket. For the most part I honestly think they refuse to believe such things can happen to them in the states, until they do, then he will be the loudest mouth in the crowd shouting injustice.
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How naive...
1) Legally define "generally lawful". Everyone in America has broken a law in the last week. If someone felt vindictive or threatened, they could go down the route of singling a person out and claiming it's the law!
2) How can a democracy or republic operate if there is no privacy?

Possibly lead to crime prevention? So.... the years of phone metadata has yield exactly ZERO direct terrorist prevention. You know what would also lower crime? Martial law.

Well your stance is equally naive, if not more. How much privacy should people be allowed to have? Security cameras should be banned. Capturing people's images might infringe on privacy. Warrants? No, that would violate maximum privacy. The internet? It collects data which might infringe on privacy, definitely banned. I mean you're requiring me to draw a line in the sand, so im just reflecting the same logic back to you.

Plus If someone felt vindictive or threatened, they could always kill them, or stage a crime, or do any number of things that would be just as bad if not worse and way more effective than threatening someone with a j walking charge. What you're describing is a police state. Many judges aren't unreasonable and would recognize something petty, or if the punishment was too severe for the crime. So yeah, they could single out someone and give them a ticket! how serious.. .

All you did was take my position and create a false dilemma. Furthermore, I doubt martial law would lower crime since there would be rebellion. That just doesnt make any sense.

Generally lawful should be pretty clear. I could write an entire essay defining generally lawful, but the idea is no major crimes like blowing up buildings, or murder, or theft, etc. I didn't think I would have to spell out the obvious.

And finally, how do you know that data has resulted in no crime prevention? You have some hidden studies I don't know that include confidential government systems?
Edited by serp777 - 3/17/14 at 1:49am
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