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You shouldn't approach this matter in such a light and one sided way. Of course some sort of oversight on the Internet is needed so the bad guys are prevented from doing bad things, but you have to consider that some bad guys can be anywhere, including in the places where only the good guys are supposed to be.

You are only describing part of the problem and ignoring what has been in the news lately. There are many other possibilities, some of which have been admittedly carried out, like economic and political espionage of foreign countries and companies, including allies; preventing people from legally doing their job by remotely deleting data that was necessary; altering data; framing people / entities by planting false data, the possibilities are endless and all it takes is somebody that is not abiding by the law, and the problem when the state in some cases contributes to deliberately weaken the security infrastructure is that other people not even in a place of power get the chance to exploit those security vulnerabilities.

Another problem is that without proper checks and balances you don't even get to know if the law is being followed by those with the incumbency to enforce it, so you have no idea how much and how often the power is being abused. People abusing the power they have is one of the biggest temptations of mankind, this is in the history books, nobody is inventing the wheel at this time in this regard, these are globally valid concerns, especially when it comes to something that can be carried out from a remote location with the press of a button. Technology in its current state has made it disproportionately easy for one party to abuse their power / responsibilities.

If anything I think this is a good tool for exposing corruption, since like you said the possibilities are endless. By monitoring all data all the time, one could learn about some corporate conspiracy or a bribe, etc. So it has the same potential for good as it does for bad. Checks and balances have always been an issue and what you're talking about has been occurring all throughout American history (minus the specific computer stuff) . It's nothing we haven't seen before. Whenever you increase data analysis and information, positive things generally happen on the flip side.
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So you advocate no privacy? And total government control? It was bad when Hitler did it, it was bad when Stalin did it, but hey if you did nothing wrong under those regimes you were fine................rolleyes.gif
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If anything I think this is a good tool for exposing corruption, since like you said the possibilities are endless. By monitoring all data all the time, one could learn about some corporate conspiracy or a bribe, etc. So it has the same potential for good as it does for bad. Checks and balances have always been an issue and what you're talking about has been occurring all throughout American history (minus the specific computer stuff) . It's nothing we haven't seen before. Whenever you increase data analysis and information, positive things generally happen on the flip side.

That is until you realise that all the data the NSA have been snorting up are sent, raw and unfiltered straight to Israel and the Mossad. The word treason is being given entire new meanings by the US government.
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i bet the NSA creates all those, "Hey big boy, wanna have a good time tonight? 'FIND HOT LONELY WIVES AT INSATIABLEHOUSEWIVES.COM'" adds that blanket certain websites to implant thier malware on the unsuspecting tards that click those links.
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i bet the NSA creates all those, "Hey big boy, wanna have a good time tonight? 'FIND HOT LONELY WIVES AT INSATIABLEHOUSEWIVES.COM'" adds that blanket certain websites to implant thier malware on the unsuspecting tards that click those links.

I would love to be a fly on the wall at one of their headquarters for a day. They are said to screen and record so much there has to be a literal multitude of them, I wonder if as tech and population grow and the country flounders if it will ever become a case of the horse in the saddle with them being pressed for resources/man hours?

Come right down to it I bet the majority of them are just the same type of garden variety toolios trading hours for handfuls of dimes you would see at any office job. Maybe they aren't even interested in what they are doing and even know the whom or why of it all and just drone gather while joking and goofing off all day.

If they really are gathering on the scope and magnitude that is reported it sounds like they are almost a redundant counterproductive organization that by virtue of gathering so much defeats any effectiveness that they would preserve with more focused protocols.
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They are probably gathering dirt on the current adminstration, and the future candidates, just so they can blackmail them for funding to keep up this charade. It's probably all about job security in the end, rather than national security and law enforcement. Otherwise, you'd never get the business case through, it just wouldn't pass cost-benefit analysis.

Gov - "So, how many billion do you need to keep this on top of this new threat?"
NSA - "This week, we need an extra $2b for new staff & tech"
Gov - "That's a lot, why should we give you that?"
NSA - "Otherwise we leak X/Y/Z on you, or we frame you with made up stuff"
Gov - "Oh, ok then, have this blank chequebook"

Rinse and repeat.
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I love how this all knowing agency can't find a missing jumbo jet loaded with people and technology... remind me again why they spend 40Billion a year on the NSA?
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router has custom firmware on.

what ever leaves my lan is ok... most of it is donkey porn segments anyway..

but all jokes aside.. my home network is a lot more secure than most soho networks.. so if they find it good for them.. it is not as if i am planing world domination.
Please explain to me why your network is more secure? DD-WRT on your router... lol rolleyes.gif
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I love how this all knowing agency can't find a missing jumbo jet loaded with people and technology... remind me again why they spend 40Billion a year on the NSA?

To keep you safe from your own subversive thinking.
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They are probably gathering dirt on the current adminstration, and the future candidates, just so they can blackmail them for funding to keep up this charade. It's probably all about job security in the end, rather than national security and law enforcement. Otherwise, you'd never get the business case through, it just wouldn't pass cost-benefit analysis.

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Gov - "That's a lot, why should we give you that?"
NSA - "Otherwise we leak X/Y/Z on you, or we frame you with made up stuff"
Gov - "Oh, ok then, have this blank chequebook"

Rinse and repeat.

And this is what it is too, most likely. A redundant circle jerk or game of musical chairs with these voracious parasites playing spy vs spy or "Who Wants to be the Next Slick Superstar Agent Smith" And the greed and lust for advancement corrupt them all into breaking regulations as they vie for promotions and recognition. And to those who are apologetics and try to validate them having some legit merit, think for one second about how many organizations we already had for this -exact- vein of work, purpose, protection, ect.. ect.. before someone else decided we needed them too. This in comparison is like having another service that does what the cops as well as firemen do for your city -just in case- someone suspects an arson.

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I wonder who the guests are hmmmm? /TinFoilHat biggrin.gif
Edited by Neckbeard13 - 3/17/14 at 6:32am
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