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router has custom firmware on.

what ever leaves my lan is ok... most of it is donkey porn segments anyway..

but all jokes aside.. my home network is a lot more secure than most soho networks.. so if they find it good for them.. it is not as if i am planing world domination.

Link to donkey porn?

I am sure there will be a process running in the background which will be known about and shared here on OC.net when they have launched it that we will be able to remove.
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You guys don't understand that they've already factored in users of custom computers, Mac users, Linux users and stuff like that. The thing is, if this blanket will take over 70% of University students, 90% of police officer computers, almost 100% of the computers owned by people 40 years of age or older, they could care less about the ones that slip out of the net.

This is like if some bank robber found a way to take $5 out of every bank account in the United States and someone said, "Ha! I don't have a bank account! Good luck bank robber!" That's not really a "gotcha" when he still walked away with just over a billion dollars. He's not going to sweat the 50 to 100 million he misses.
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You guys don't understand that they've already factored in users of custom computers, Mac users, Linux users and stuff like that. The thing is, if this blanket will take over 70% of University students, 90% of police officer computers, almost 100% of the computers owned by people 40 years of age or older, they could care less about the ones that slip out of the net.

This is like if some bank robber found a way to take $5 out of every bank account in the United States and someone said, "Ha! I don't have a bank account! Good luck bank robber!" That's not really a "gotcha" when he still walked away with just over a billion dollars. He's not going to sweat the 50 to 100 million he misses.

I get your argument, but considering this is supposed to be about national security, it's total crap. That 1% of computers (or even 0.1%, or less) that they can't get into, are MORE likely to be the ones they need to get into. You think the terror threats and organised crime sectors are browsing on unencrypted wifi connections, using IE6, clicking on flashing pop-ups on porn sites? The guys that have something to hide will be trying their utmost to hide it.
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I get your argument, but considering this is supposed to be about national security, it's total crap. That 1% of computers (or even 0.1%, or less) that they can't get into, are MORE likely to be the ones they need to get into. You think the terror threats and organised crime sectors are browsing on unencrypted wifi connections, using IE6, clicking on flashing pop-ups on porn sites? The guys that have something to hide will be trying their utmost to hide it.

which leaves only two possibilities:

a. they are trying to catch everyone and label everyone from birth and categorise the threat level ((even on a genetic level eventually or whatever new tech is out))

i.e the Computerisation of the human profile, mind and society for big data.


b. they are trying to catch people who haven’t realised that their communications are monitored and crucially other people communications are being monitored to monitor them.

i.e that is getting to the point where everything is monitored just so all the boxes are ticked to catch one or two people, which i might add hasn’t stopped child poverty, racism or the rich-poor divide and could in theory be used to increase it .. (tinfoil time...) so unless checks and restrictions are in place is open for abuse.


which when you boil it down = Subversion to counter Subversion

which means its a war.. a war on Dissent

Dissent means an opposition or disagreement

which then means ... they have created a system to stop those who disagree.

simple really.
Edited by Pip Boy - 3/21/14 at 2:44am
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You guys don't understand that they've already factored in users of custom computers, Mac users, Linux users and stuff like that. The thing is, if this blanket will take over 70% of University students, 90% of police officer computers, almost 100% of the computers owned by people 40 years of age or older, they could care less about the ones that slip out of the net.

This is like if some bank robber found a way to take $5 out of every bank account in the United States and someone said, "Ha! I don't have a bank account! Good luck bank robber!" That's not really a "gotcha" when he still walked away with just over a billion dollars. He's not going to sweat the 50 to 100 million he misses.

Owning a custom computer, using a Mac, or using Linux has virtually nothing to do with someone understanding, implementing, and following OpSec protocols.

I mean, how many people here know how Diffie-Hellman or PGP works?
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Owning a custom computer, using a Mac, or using Linux has virtually nothing to do with someone understanding, implementing, and following OpSec protocols.

I mean, how many people here know how Diffie-Hellman or PGP works?

Never heard of either biggrin.gif
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The question is...can we ever trust closed source software again? Without being able to examine the code, who knows what back-doors are baked in that make these exploits possible.

Also, note the quote in my sig...becoming ominous I must say. Local storage FTW.
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Never heard of either biggrin.gif


Do you use SSH? That exists because of Diffie-Hellman key exchange!
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This is all BS...

They have ALWAYS had a way in to your hardware as long as it has an internetet connection. Their tech is 20+ years ahead of anything commercially available. This a fact! The only way to truly have a safe system is to have a system with no outside connections! If you have info that you want to keep totally private then put it on a secluded system that only you have physical access to. Their is no firewall that you can design that will keep the NSA from looking at your porn history....lol
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This is all BS...

They have ALWAYS had a way in to your hardware as long as it has an internetet connection. Their tech is 20+ years ahead of anything commercially available. This a fact! The only way to truly have a safe system is to have a system with no outside connections! If you have info that you want to keep totally private then put it on a secluded system that only you have physical access to. Their is no firewall that you can design that will keep the NSA from looking at your porn history....lol

A fact you say.... 20 years really? Where is your evidence? rolleyes.gif

All security systems are a trade-off between usability and security. However, some systems are simply not usable if there is too much work for the end-user.

The mathematics of encryption still good. Weaknesses that the NSA are exploiting are in the implementation, exploits, back-doors, side-channels, and bypassing.
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