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i think people just don't understand the way technology has changed the world and they overreact. I *like* DLC. i think it gives companies an opportunity to release optional content packs that enrich the original product at a low-cost. i think most of us can agree microtransactions are trash for the most part (i never participate in free2play games or games that require microtransactions for a level playing field) but they are not intrinsically evil - they just need to evolve and find their niche. There's nothing wrong with companies trying new avenues for revenue, maybe these small in game ads will keep prices relatively low because they provide additional funding without needing to raise the base cost of the game. Dont get me wrong, I think everything can be (and usually is...) exploited and consumers rights are important, but all this faux outrage over small things is like crying wolf - when the real wolf comes, no one will believe it. I don't think having ads on a load up stream necessarily has to go right to the slippery slope other people here suggest

Actually i think your wrong into thinking that DLC are good because of aditional content at a low cost... because we used to get nice content updates for free or big ones in the form of expansion packs for sometimes the same price as these small DLC's and on top of that DLC have eliminated the inclusion of modding tools for games.
And i agree microtransactions don't have to be evil but i don't see big publishers that need to keep their shareholders happy resisting a quick money grab at the expence of their consumers.

Anyways only time will tell if this is the first foot into the ingame advertisement domain where many more steps will follow or if its only kept at that one step. But i do think people are right to be concerned because basically everything in the gaming industry is becoming a quick money grab where big publishers try to find more ways then needed to squeeze every bit of cash out of their customers.
    
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I still stand firm that these DLC for the modern versions of BF that contain a campaign should include campaign expansions as well. Like the chapters in Half-life and other sectional releases. I don't care much about the added MP content, it gets boring... but a single player expansion of even 2-3 GOOD missions with the new added content would get me to buy Premium. But what can i say, i'm a sucker for a good story.. and yes.. i thought the campaign had a very acceptable story. I didn't analyze it too much, b/c once i saw holes, i stopped thinking and just enjoyed the ride biggrin.gif
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Now to the sub thread that comes up every time people get mad at a company, they cry about never buying from them again. Stop lying to yourselves because the rest of us know the truth. If even 20% of the people that have made this claim over the years did it, EA would be a financial mess. Oh I am sure your intentions are real but lets face it the next good EA game that comes out and you will rush back like nothing ever happened. If you want to boycott EA then do so, if not, then don't, but please quite wasting our time with your diatribe that you will never hold too.
Welcome to the wonderful world of large numbers, every single person you've ever seen raging against EA on forum threads could genuinely not buy another EA game... and it wouldn't have a significant impact on sales.

People you see in internet rage threads generally don't make up a decent sample for EA's target demographic, and even if they did declared preference != revealed preference.

It wouldn't surprise me if plenty of people who rage against EA still buy a few EA products, but I also have no reason to doubt that plenty of people really do act on their declared preference.

Do you have any reason to doubt it? You seem strangely certain that everyone buys EA games?
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i think people just don't understand the way technology has changed the world and they overreact. I *like* DLC. i think it gives companies an opportunity to release optional content packs that enrich the original product at a low-cost. i think most of us can agree microtransactions are trash for the most part (i never participate in free2play games or games that require microtransactions for a level playing field) but they are not intrinsically evil - they just need to evolve and find their niche. There's nothing wrong with companies trying new avenues for revenue, maybe these small in game ads will keep prices relatively low because they provide additional funding without needing to raise the base cost of the game. Dont get me wrong, I think everything can be (and usually is...) exploited and consumers rights are important, but all this faux outrage over small things is like crying wolf - when the real wolf comes, no one will believe it. I don't think having ads on a load up stream necessarily has to go right to the slippery slope other people here suggest

I don't think the "outrage" (if you'd really consider it to be outrage) is really about the ads themselves, more about the principle of paying £100 for a product and the creator adding in advertisements after purchase.

If I bought a car and then woke up one day to find the manufacturer had been round to paint Nike logos all over it, you can bet I'd be just as pissed. The point is this is the same "we own this, not you" mentality that always gets people riled up with games/software in general.

The idea that they can, after we've purchased something from them, change a product we own to make even more money from us without benefiting us in any way is one that will never be popular and was, at best, incredibly poor judgement on EA's part.

Personally I foresee some hefty changes in consumer rights laws when it comes to "software licenses" in the future, and I don't just mean in terms of computer games. Our current legal systems are woefully inadequate to deal with this kind of stuff.
Edited by NihilOC - 3/14/14 at 1:29pm
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because we used to get nice content updates for free or big ones in the form of expansion packs for sometimes the same price as these small DLC's and on top of that DLC have eliminated the inclusion of modding tools for games...

i have been gaming from the 80's and i never recall playing a game that gave nice content updates for free. i am sure they exist, but i never experienced it. Big expansion packs were DLC before DLC existed - DLC is just a continuation of expansion packs that take advantage of new technology (downloading instead of going to the store and buying the games). Additionally, Skyrim had DLC and modding tools, so they can exist together... mod tools are a nice bonus and I like mods, but as games get more complex/costly to develop/etc. i can see why companies have moved away from it. Especially with games like titanfall that depend on server side code to keep the action moving, it adds a variable that many companies are uncomfortable with. Also, while I am continually amazed at the talent and ingenuity of the modding community, i rarely use mods...
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I don't think the "outrage" (if you'd really consider it to be outrage) is really about the ads themselves,

see below:
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Haven't bought an EA game in over 5 years. I've never installed origin, not even once. I am proud of myself, and I wish others had this kind of control so we could show companies this is not acceptable and we won't support it. Most of you people complain about this then buy EA games anyway.

No paid piece of software should ever have advertisement of any kind. This goes for movies and tv shows too. I'm looking at you Web-DLs and DVDs/Blu-rays.

Edited by Artev - 3/14/14 at 2:17pm
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Witcher 2 comes to mind
    
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This is lame but i don't see why people are highly annoyed by this, it's just in the loading screen tongue.gif
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This is lame but i don't see why people are highly annoyed by this, it's just in the loading screen tongue.gif

Right now its just the loading screen but what happens when it's a burger king ad on the load out screen?

Or maybe a commercial before the game starts.

Its a slippery slope.
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Right now its just the loading screen but what happens when it's a burger king ad on the load out screen?

Or maybe a commercial before the game starts.

Its a slippery slope.

slippery slope is a logical fallacy
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slippery slope is a logical fallacy

Only when used without a rational argument.

I do think ea will use this as another form of profit. If ea is known for anything its monetizing anything and everything.
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How about dealing with these 'slippery slopes' once they present themselves. Right now we have one instant, EA ads on loading screens... once they take it further, said slope will be visible.
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