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Arrangement of the pins has absolutely nothing to do with pin count...
Except that if you had actually bothered to open the link and take a look, you would see that there is a significantly higher number of pins on HW-E than what is on SB-E and IB-E, at least 50 more. Intel DID add more pins, they just never bothered to change the socket outside of moving the key notches and adding the plastic wings.
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Except that if you had actually bothered to open the link and take a look, you would see that there is a significantly higher number of pins on HW-E than what is on SB-E and IB-E, at least 50 more. Intel DID add more pins, they just never bothered to change the socket outside of moving the key notches and adding the plastic wings.

That makes absolutely no sense.

Intel didn't change the socket size from 1156 to 1155 to 1150, yet they changed the socket number.

I did take a look at it. All I see are a lot of pins. Unless you do an actual count, there's absolutely no way you can say that for certain, as looks can be deceptive.
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Except that if you had actually bothered to open the link and take a look, you would see that there is a significantly higher number of pins on HW-E than what is on SB-E and IB-E, at least 50 more. Intel DID add more pins, they just never bothered to change the socket outside of moving the key notches and adding the plastic wings.
Why call a socket "2011-3" when it has at least 2061 pins?
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Why call a socket "2011-3" when it has at least 2061 pins?
Because its intel doing the same thing they did with 1156 and 1155, or 1366 and 1356, or hell, 775 and 771. Drop or add a couple of pins, shuffle the rest around a bit to break electrical compatibility, oh look, your customers have to buy all new hardware to use the new CPUs. If i recall correctly, there was alot of people who werent happy with the switch from 1156 to 1155 because of that very reason. And in the case of 775 and 771, there is literally no difference between the 2 sockets other than a pair of flipped pins and the CPU package rotated 90*.

Intel has been doing this with sockets for a long time now.
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But still, why keep the same name? They could call it "LGA2050" or whatever and avoid all the confusion.
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But still, why keep the same name? They could call it "LGA2050" or whatever and avoid all the confusion.
To be honest I dont know. For all i know they have a troll in the socket design department who gets his jollies off doing this kind of crap with the sockets. If they gave us a legitimate reason as to why they're changing the sockets around so much other than "we want to screw you out of as much money as we can get away with because your only alternative cant compete", i would be fine with it. Annoyed, but fine with it. What i WOULD like to see them do but know its not ever going to happen is backwards compatibility socket-wise, like what AMD did with their consumer lines, where you could daisy chain upgrades as needed instead of having to purchase a whole new platform every. frickin. time.
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Isn't that sort of what the "TUF" boards are?

Jesus, maybe Asus should spend less time on marketing and inventing stupid acronyms, and more time on after-sales support.

TUF is basically a mainstream board with a new coat of paint and a bigger price tag. They're pretty much the definition of rip-off.

Overclocking hardware is stuff that includes features for benching basically. And a good VRM of course... But any time you see LN2 modes, slow modes, on the fly multi + bclk adjusting, v-measure points, etc. you're probably dealing with hardware made for extreme OCing. The problem with asus is that they mix that stuff with overkill on board audio, other stupid audio features, bunch of 3rd party controllers, pointless watercooling gimmicks, etc.

I would personally prefer Gigabyte's OCing mobo approach. Take X58A-OC or Z87X-OC for example. Both best OCing boards for their platforms. Both about half the price of the most expensive boards of their platforms.

Asus on the other hand only gives you their OCing features if you want to pay for the most expensive board out there.
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Because its intel doing the same thing they did with 1156 and 1155, or 1366 and 1356, or hell, 775 and 771. Drop or add a couple of pins, shuffle the rest around a bit to break electrical compatibility, oh look, your customers have to buy all new hardware to use the new CPUs. If i recall correctly, there was alot of people who werent happy with the switch from 1156 to 1155 because of that very reason. And in the case of 775 and 771, there is literally no difference between the 2 sockets other than a pair of flipped pins and the CPU package rotated 90*.

Intel has been doing this with sockets for a long time now.

771 actually had 771 contact points. Your point is completely irrelevant to why 2011-3 is being called 2011-3.
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To be honest I dont know. For all i know they have a troll in the socket design department who gets his jollies off doing this kind of crap with the sockets. If they gave us a legitimate reason as to why they're changing the sockets around so much other than "we want to screw you out of as much money as we can get away with because your only alternative cant compete", i would be fine with it. Annoyed, but fine with it. What i WOULD like to see them do but know its not ever going to happen is backwards compatibility socket-wise, like what AMD did with their consumer lines, where you could daisy chain upgrades as needed instead of having to purchase a whole new platform every. frickin. time.

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1156 to 1155: Greatly redesigned iGPU required different contacts.
1366 to 2011: Integration of northbridge, quad channel memory.
1155 to 1150: Integrated VRMs.
2011 to 2011-3: DDR4, integrated VRMs.

AMD was greatly inhibited by maintaining backwards compatibility. And most people that bought a new CPU bought a new motherboard with it anyways. There's only so much performance you can squeeze out of that HT link while maintaining backwards compatibility.

Additionally, nothing on FM1 was compatible with FM2/FM2+, and vice-versa.
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TUF is basically a mainstream board with a new coat of paint and a bigger price tag. They're pretty much the definition of rip-off.

I'm not sure that's always entirely true. In the case of the Gryphon, it cost me only NZD$10 more than the Z87M-PLUS, but has an additional 2 years of warranty and some other small bonuses like all 90 degree SATA ports etc. Only $10 difference - the intel NIC alone is worth ~$50, because that's $50 I don't have to spend on a 9301CT, and one more free PCI-E 1x slot.

The board is a bugged piece of junk, but so potentially is the Z87M-PLUS, and assuming they both worked properly, I wouldn't say that the Gryphon was unreasonably priced.
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Why call a socket "2011-3" when it has at least 2061 pins?
Because it's the third revision of the socket.
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