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Your 3930K is physically an 8-core.



It's like buying the 3-core AMD phenom chips back in the day.

I knew that but it still sucks that the possibility IS there but Intel chose not to. Now they're doing it finally for Haswell, why not SB-E?

funny u mention the Phenoms, the Phenom II 720 BE was my first "gaming rig" chip back in 2009. I DID unlock it to 4 core, but it wasn't stable. Now only if you can do the same to Intel chips....
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Maybe in 5 years....i guess they will slowly push 6-core on the mainstream and only after that, the 8-core will come.
Eh, I don't mind it not being on the mainstream society for a while. But want a non extreme octo-core.
 
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I knew that but it still sucks that the possibility IS there but Intel chose not to. Now they're doing it finally for Haswell, why not SB-E?

funny u mention the Phenoms, the Phenom II 720 BE was my first "gaming rig" chip back in 2009. I DID unlock it to 4 core, but it wasn't stable. Now only if you can do the same to Intel chips....

Yeah would be great.

I remember unlocking a x2 555BE to a quad core, stable at stock volts tongue.gif

Also about SB-E, IB-E and haswell-E. I find it somewhat odd that with SB-E intel used an 8-core die for the enthusiast parts, then with IB-E they went back to a 6-core die, and now they're again going with an 8-core die (possibly more?). Will be interesting to see the die size of haswell-E. SB-E 8-core die is pretty huge, something like 420mm^2 iirc.

Nothing compared to the 530mm^2 15-core IB-EX chips though...


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I'll probably sell my 4930k and RIVBE when these come out. Not only do we get ipc improvements but 4 threads, too good to pass on. OC potential is the only concern.
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Why are people bleating about only 2133 DDR4 - don't you realise that it's doubled due to hardware improvements ?

Where is the DDR3 4166 ? And what's it cost ?

dunx

P.S. DDR4 will come out in 8 GB "sticks" at the very least as the density is increased x4 also.
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Why are people bleating about only 2133 DDR4 - don't you realise that it's doubled due to hardware improvements ?

Where is the DDR3 4166 ? And what's it cost ?

I thought DDR3 was the same as DDR4 in that regard with them both having DDR in the name? I also haven't heard about any other sort of new tech used in DDR4 over DDR3 to that effect.
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I'm confused...

Only because Cyrious is wrong.
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The latest revision has more pins if looking at the pads on an Haswell-E cpu has anything to say

Your pin count is wrong.
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I knew that but it still sucks that the possibility IS there but Intel chose not to. Now they're doing it finally for Haswell, why not SB-E?

The cores were disabled to constrain a certain market segment to a certain performance profile. It would be harder to justify the cost of their hex and quad core parts if they had been releasing unlocked eight-core chips for the last several years. It would also have caused problems with Ivy-E, because consumer Ivy-E parts are a native hex core die, yet can be sold for the same price as SB-E was.

They are balancing supply with demand to maximize profit.
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Why are people bleating about only 2133 DDR4 - don't you realise that it's doubled due to hardware improvements ?

DDR4-2133 is not going to be appreciably faster than DDR3-2133.

There have been equivalent hardware improvements with every generation, yet every generation has needed equal or higher MT/s to match the performance of the last generation because of loosened timings. The bulk of generational performance increases are from the higher MT/s that each successive generation is capable of. DDR4 has some interesting changes, but it's not a paradigm shift.
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yes the ddr3 bandwith is not being used to its maximum so ddr4 wont bring anything to table like when ddr3 brought 10% more cpu performance on last 775 motherboards
i refrained from going to 4930k from my q9550 only because of ddr4, so if 5930k is not and 8core, i have waited one year for zero performance between 4930k and 5930k ... and i dont plan to upgrade for 10 years, as an 8 core would be enough for next 10 years

best
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I'm confused...

The reason for -3 is it is the third revision of socket 2011, and on this version they changed the pin-out order (pin map), which is why it won't work with 2011 and 2011-2. So while there are 2011 pins, the pins are laid out in a different order than on the other revisions.
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The original base design had 2011 pins. The latest revision has more pins if looking at the pads on an Haswell-E cpu has anything to say, but intel simply added a -3 to the socket designation instead of adding in the additional pins to the socket name like they've done on every other socket.

No. This is the second statement on the matter that you have been wrong on.
    
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The reason for -3 is it is the third revision of socket 2011, and on this version they changed the pin-out order (pin map), which is why it won't work with 2011 and 2011-2. So while there are 2011 pins, the pins are laid out in a different order than on the other revisions.
No. This is the second statement on the matter that you have been wrong on.

so, are there more pins or not?
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