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Well, when is Intel going to have a major "tock" ?

It says here that quad core will be the default option for Skylake, how likely is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_%28microarchitecture%29

Also, how easy is it to overclcok those Haswells on air? How does it compare to Ivy and Sandy temp wise?

Haswell and Ivy get hot over 1.3v but it all depends on the silicone lottery
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Well, when is Intel going to have a major "tock" ?

It says here that quad core will be the default option for Skylake, how likely is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_%28microarchitecture%29

Also, how easy is it to overclcok those Haswells on air? How does it compare to Ivy and Sandy temp wise?
I seriously think they should upgrade their whole line up to boost sales

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Well, when is Intel going to have a major "tock" ?

It says here that quad core will be the default option for Skylake, how likely is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_%28microarchitecture%29

Also, how easy is it to overclcok those Haswells on air? How does it compare to Ivy and Sandy temp wise?

Intel just starts to need adding cores. They have plenty of IPC. I think they should nix the dual cores and price the 5670K at 149.99
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Intel just starts to need adding cores. They have plenty of IPC. I think they should nix the dual cores and price the 5670K at 149.99

Well I still want more IPC to be honest. I just can't stand playing GTA4 or DayZ on medium at 1080p gunner.gif
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Lets go into hypothetical postal...

Amd grows some balls and releases an unlocked 16 core bulldozer processor on the enthusiast G34 socket.

3.5Ghz 3930K vs a 4.0Ghz 16 Core Bulldozer both at the same price point of 599.99


R11.5

3930K - 10.19
16 Core Bulldozer - 13.03

Intel would have to respond to get their behind handed to them by releasing an 8 core

Round 2 :

R11.5

8 Core Sandy - 13.48
16 Core Piledriver - 14.02 - Estimated

Imagine that.. It would have been awesome. I'd rock an amd 16 core processor .

Hahaha, in theory that is how it would play out. Although I am not so sure it would just because of how powerful Intel's name is in the market. That being said, I would still buy a ticket to that show, it would be fun!
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Intel just starts to need adding cores. They have plenty of IPC. I think they should nix the dual cores and price the 5670K at 149.99

Dear god, they would slaughter AMD if they did that.

I am not sure the U.S. Government would let it happen, out of fear of AMD going belly up and Intel becoming a monopoly!
    
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Lets go into hypothetical postal...

Amd grows some balls and releases an unlocked 16 core bulldozer processor on the enthusiast G34 socket.

3.5Ghz 3930K vs a 4.0Ghz 16 Core Bulldozer both at the same price point of 599.99


R11.5

3930K - 10.19
16 Core Bulldozer - 13.03

Intel would have to respond to get their behind handed to them by releasing an 8 core

Round 2 :

R11.5

8 Core Sandy - 13.48
16 Core Piledriver - 14.02 - Estimated

Imagine that.. It would have been awesome. I'd rock an amd 16 core processor .

you're being way too "hypothetical" for several reasons

1. the 16 core Opterons exist on a non-consumer platform; AMD would have to adapt G34 and invent a whole new "Enthusiast" platform just like intel has been doing since X58.

2. 4GHz is way too high for a base clock on a 16 core BD/PD part, likely too high for even boost clock (the highest end 16 core Opteron I'm aware of is 2.8GHz base clock, 3.2GHz full load turbo, and only 3.5GHz half-load turbo...would probably be looking at a TDP north of 250W to get to 4GHz on 16 cores...)

3. $600 way too cheap for that much silicon, intel could easily undercut that price.
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you're being way too "hypothetical" for several reasons

1. the 16 core Opterons exist on a non-consumer platform; AMD would have to adapt G34 and invent a whole new "Enthusiast" platform just like intel has been doing since X58.

2. 4GHz is way too high for a base clock on a 16 core BD/PD part, likely too high for even boost clock (the highest end 16 core Opteron I'm aware of is 2.8GHz base clock, 3.2GHz full load turbo, and only 3.5GHz half-load turbo...would probably be looking at a TDP north of 250W to get to 4GHz on 16 cores...)

3. $600 way too cheap for that much silicon, intel could easily undercut that price.


"Facepalm"

1. Amd could easily turn G34 into an enthusiast platform. I'm sure Asus could whip up a ROG G34 board in a week if they had too

2. 4Ghz 16 Core opterons exist

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3. I dont think Intel would be able to undercut amd all that much

Lastly its a hypothetical. There's no point in delving super deep into it
Edited by Stay Puft - 3/16/14 at 7:45pm
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Maybe, but software developers haven't even caught up to 8 core applications just yet.

For that matter we are just now starting to see applications launch with 64-bit execution, and how long have we had 64 bit? How long have we had quad cores, and applications still be single threaded?

This is why I'd rather see some highly clocked 6-core Haswell-E CPUs instead of the useless 8-core units everyone's clamouring for. What's so great about 8 cores in practical (gaming) use?
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This is why I'd rather see some highly clocked 6-core Haswell-E CPUs instead of the useless 8-core units everyone's clamouring for. What's so great about 8 cores in practical (gaming) use?

BF4 will use all 8 cores and for benching they will be amazing
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BF4 will use all 8 cores and for benching they will be amazing

How well does BF4 use the last two cores? In the past we've had games that can "use 6 cores", but still run better on a higher clocked quad.

I just feel like 1/4 of the chips thermal quota will be wasted on two cores that are barely used when it could go towards clocking up 6 cores. Maybe if they made a 'Turbo Boost' that actually worked...
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