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This is why I'd rather see some highly clocked 6-core Haswell-E CPUs instead of the useless 8-core units everyone's clamouring for. What's so great about 8 cores in practical (gaming) use?

Not everyone buying an 8 core will be doing so for gaming primarily.
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This is why I'd rather see some highly clocked 6-core Haswell-E CPUs instead of the useless 8-core units everyone's clamouring for. What's so great about 8 cores in practical (gaming) use?

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How well does BF4 use the last two cores? In the past we've had games that can "use 6 cores", but still run better on a higher clocked quad.

I just feel like 1/4 of the chips thermal quota will be wasted on two cores that are barely used when it could go towards clocking up 6 cores. Maybe if they made a 'Turbo Boost' that actually worked...

there are people who use all cores... gaming, rendering, benching etc.... give me more cores.

also, there are few quads that can keep up with mine and others 3930/3960/4930/4960 at 4.8+
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How well does BF4 use the last two cores? In the past we've had games that can "use 6 cores", but still run better on a higher clocked quad.

I just feel like 1/4 of the chips thermal quota will be wasted on two cores that are barely used when it could go towards clocking up 6 cores. Maybe if they made a 'Turbo Boost' that actually worked...

Why do people buy 12 core SR-2 rigs? Why do people buy 16 core SR-X rigs? Because we want too. You can have your high clocked 6 core. The big boys want the 8 core biggrin.gif
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Why do people buy 12 core SR-2 rigs? Why do people buy 16 core SR-X rigs? Because we want too. You can have your high clocked 6 core. The big boys want the 8 core biggrin.gif

This!
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Socket 939 and DFI would like a word.




I'm looking forward to x99 personally and I plan on basing my new build on it. Should be solid for 4 to 6 years.

Now I'm sad, if only DFI still made good OCing boards today...
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How long have we had quad cores, and applications still be single threaded?

Nearly every application that can see a decent improvement from being able to use 4 cores has already been programmed to do so, it's only games that are mainly behind. Even then, they often see a benefit from a Tri-Core vs a Dual core and some are starting to show the benefit of HT/an octocore over a quad already. (iirc BF4 and Crysis 3 do)
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Yup, AMD should be more competitive.

Unless AMD had another Athlon64, Intel wouldn't bother...Nearly every consumer's CPU performance needs is satiated by the lowest end Pentium or Celeron in Intel's line up (Which I believe is a 1Ghz Haswell or Ivy Bridge Dual Core at the moment) and most would benefit more from lower power consumption, as for enthusiasts the money just isn't there to warrant it. Why else do you think AMD is concentrating on APUs now? Not only is it an area they can beat Intel in (AMDs GPU design team has far more experience than Intels, something that is highly evident from Intels iGPU drivers) but it's also targeting the largest market for PCs.
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This is why I'd rather see some highly clocked 6-core Haswell-E CPUs instead of the useless 8-core units everyone's clamouring for. What's so great about 8 cores in practical (gaming) use?

I'm not entirely sure, how about you ask the Q6600? Or alternatively, Microsoft and Sony? An 8 core Haswell would be a great chip and likely will still be maxing out games in 5+ years.
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I'm not entirely sure, how about you ask the Q6600? Or alternatively, Microsoft and Sony? An 8 core Haswell would be a great chip and likely will still be maxing out games in 5+ years.

Yeah sure, 5+ years. "Maxed out" at 35fps.

The Q6600 actually illustrates my point rather nicely. For a significant period after the Q6600 was released it still made more sense to get a fast dual like the E8400 for gaming. Finally, games started to get multi-threaded, but by then it was time to replace the Q6600 with a better quad anyway.

I'm more interested in best performance now, not passable performance in 5 years, by which time the thing will be replaced. And right now, games are overwhelmingly <6 threaded.

Also, when last I looked, the new consoles were only using 6 cores for the actual games.
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"Facepalm"

1. Amd could easily turn G34 into an enthusiast platform. I'm sure Asus could whip up a ROG G34 board in a week if they had too

sure, they could "easily" do it, but they wouldn't sell enough units to justify it; they don't sell enough of their mainstream platform as things are now to make such a move "easy"

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2. 4Ghz 16 Core opterons exist

not actual ones you could go out and buy; the Opteron 6386 is the biggest/fastest Opteron AMD has offered, unless they sneaked something new out and didn't tell anyone...

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3. I dont think Intel would be able to undercut amd all that much

its simple economics; there's more material going into the Opteron, Intel can make more chips with the same material, thus they can sell them for less...

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Lastly its a hypothetical. There's no point in delving super deep into it

and all I was saying was that it was definitely hypothetical, and really not realistic at all, just trying to reel in your expectations is all tongue.gif
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The Q6600 actually illustrates my point rather nicely. For a significant period after the Q6600 was released it still made more sense to get a fast dual like the E8400 for gaming. Finally, games started to get multi-threaded, but by then it was time to replace the Q6600 with a better quad anyway.
 

 

That's if you chose to. The Q6600 had long legs due to that transition.

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This is why I'd rather see some highly clocked 6-core Haswell-E CPUs instead of the useless 8-core units everyone's clamouring for. What's so great about 8 cores in practical (gaming) use?

they will be putting out a 6 core Haswell-E... it'll just be up to you to overclock it, not that it will be able to achieve any speeds appreciably higher than the 8 core part, which is precisely why we're clamoring for the 8 core part (particularly if we already have a 6 core part...)

If you want a practical gaming CPU, the 4670K and 4770K already exist; those are the E8400s of today. We want our "Q9650s" because we do more than gaming.
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how is that relevant at all? just look at the Pentium D or Core 2 Quad...

Just compare the die sizes. Vishera 8-core is larger than Sandy Bridge, even though Sandy Bridge has an iGPU. Two Vishera dies are massive, significantly larger than Sandy Bridge-E 8-core, yet cannot claim better performance. I'm pretty sure Core2Quads were comparable in size to Phenom and Phenom IIs (too lazy to look it up).
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