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I know that currently, my computer bogs down to a laptop trying to play bf4 on maxed out seeings
when one of my drives H that is a storage-game drive is being used (right now its failing and backing up for the last time really slow)
and the whole system bogs down C is ssd boot some games and I drive is swap storage games

2 ide dvd drives (slave wont open for some reason)
and 1 sata dvd drive

Does mixing the two cause performance issues?

Thanks,
Higgins909
post #2 of 18

Wait. Your board is old enough that it has PATA ports? What CPU do you have and what video card do you have? What motherboard do you have? What do you have for memory? What hard drive do you have?

 

This next question may sound irrelevant when it comes to discussing performance, but it can be: what's the make and model of your PSU?

 

Also, and I don't mean to be rude, but why are you keeping the two PATA DVD drives?

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So C: is an SSD

H: is a failing HDD (Sata or IDE?)

I: is an HDD... and that is where the Swap file is? (Sata or IDE?)

3 DVD drives (1 Sata, 2 IDE)... one of which wont open?

Is this "bogging down" a recent occurrence? Was it just fine at maxed settings before the drive started to fail? I don't see a hardware list... so can't tell if you have adequate hardware to play BF4 at maxed out settings.

However... if you have a drive that is failing, and that is where the game files are stored... it will most likely seriously impact the performance of the game (depending on HOW the drive is failing).

Am I correct in reading that you moved your Swap file to I? I would put the swap on the fastest drive you have (SSD) and minimize the size of it as much as possible based on how much ram you have.

I would also recommend loading all games and apps to the SSD, and using the HDD only for file storage... not apps.

(and ditch that failing drive, lol!)
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post #4 of 18

I would even recommend disabling the Page File entirely just to see if you even need it. You'll know if you need it! Trust me!

 

I disabled mine, but I found that I needed a small one. So, instead of spending time figuring out exactly how small I can have it, I just set it to 1024 MB and left it at that and everything has been fine ever since. I might disable it again though just to see because I've changed things a little since then...

 

Edit: Actually, I'm going to disable it right now. lol

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I would even recommend disabling the Page File entirely just to see if you even need it. You'll know if you need it! Trust me!

I disabled mine, but I found that I needed a small one. So, instead of spending time figuring out exactly how small I can have it, I just set it to 1024 MB and left it at that and everything has been fine ever since. I might disable it again though just to see because I've changed things a little since then...

Edit: Actually, I'm going to disable it right now. lol

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post #6 of 18
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wow, seems like I left a lot of holes there!

windows 7 64bit home premium

The computer is about 3 and a half years old now, with the ssd added last year (time flies)
asrock m3a770de
amd 640 propus 3ghz quad core
2x2gb ram 1600mhz kingston in dual channel mode I think
radeon hd 6790 1gb HIS brand

apevia 680watt psu

I have a asus dvd sata drive
and 2 dvd pata and the slave don't seem to open
why still use the 2 pata drives? because my tower has the space, and sometimes I have 3 disks in at a time.

H: failing hdd sata
I: hdd swapfile sata
C: ssd boot sata

I think it has always had this use one drive, bog the rest of the computer down issue, dvd or hdd.

I tried disabling the swap long ago, but with 4gb ram and allocated 4gb (for some reason says 6gb) swap file seems to max it out, when having about 10 firefox tabs open. some programs I have no idea why they using so much swap or ram.

edit: im looking to boost performance, So if removing the pata drives will make it faster, I will do so.
Edited by Higgins909 - 3/13/14 at 7:00pm
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wow, seems like I left a lot of holes there!

windows 7 64bit home premium

The computer is about 3 and a half years old now, with the ssd added last year (time flies)

 

Hehe yeah I suppose it feels like you just added it huh? :)

 

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wow, seems like I left a lot of holes there!

windows 7 64bit home premium

The computer is about 3 and a half years old now, with the ssd added last year (time flies)
asrock m3a770de
amd 640 propus 3ghz quad core
2x2gb ram 1600mhz kingston in dual channel mode I think
radeon hd 6790 1gb HIS brand

 

The 6790 could be a big part of the reason for the poor performance in BF4. It's not exactly a powerful video card. Of course, neither is that CPU, at least as far as I know (which isn't much when it comes to AMD's CPUs).

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Higgins909 View Post

apevia 680watt psu

 

This PSU could be another part of it. It's a VERY low-quality unit. I wouldn't even trust this to be a doorstop. ;)

 

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Originally Posted by Higgins909 View Post

I have a asus dvd sata drive
and 2 dvd pata and the slave don't seem to open
why still use the 2 pata drives? because my tower has the space, and sometimes I have 3 disks in at a time.

 

But how can you have 3 discs in at the same time if one of the drives doesn't open? :P

 

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Originally Posted by Higgins909 View Post

H: failing hdd sata
I: hdd swapfile sata
C: ssd boot sata

I think it has always had this use one drive, bog the rest of the computer down issue, dvd or hdd.

I tried disabling the swap long ago, but with 4gb ram and allocated 4gb (for some reason says 6gb) swap file seems to max it out, when having about 10 firefox tabs open. some programs I have no idea why they using so much swap or ram.

edit: im looking to boost performance, So if removing the pata drives will make it faster, I will do so.

 

Hmm... It might. I would try it. It can't hurt. You can always plug them back in (you don't have to disconnect their power cables though).

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post #8 of 18
First thing I'd think about doing is increase RAM to 8 GB, that will reduce the need to use the swap file. You should still have a page file though, and let Windows manage the size. Disabling the swap file WILL cause problems with certain applications.

Radeon 6790 should be good for BF4 on LOW settings. I wouldn't attempt to run anything higher than the lowest setting on that particular card.

Get rid of the failing HDD. A failing HDD can get stuck in seek loops, repeatedly trying to read areas of the disk that are marginal. You're better off eliminate it entirely. I hope you have a good backup!

Greg
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wow, seems like I left a lot of holes there!

windows 7 64bit home premium

The computer is about 3 and a half years old now, with the ssd added last year (time flies)
asrock m3a770de
amd 640 propus 3ghz quad core
2x2gb ram 1600mhz kingston in dual channel mode I think
radeon hd 6790 1gb HIS brand

apevia 680watt psu

I have a asus dvd sata drive
and 2 dvd pata and the slave don't seem to open
why still use the 2 pata drives? because my tower has the space, and sometimes I have 3 disks in at a time.

H: failing hdd sata
I: hdd swapfile sata
C: ssd boot sata

I think it has always had this use one drive, bog the rest of the computer down issue, dvd or hdd.

I tried disabling the swap long ago, but with 4gb ram and allocated 4gb (for some reason says 6gb) swap file seems to max it out, when having about 10 firefox tabs open. some programs I have no idea why they using so much swap or ram.

edit: im looking to boost performance, So if removing the pata drives will make it faster, I will do so.

I would do like TwoCables suggested... make the swap file smaller. Try it increments of a GB, start with 3 GB, see how it does, go to 2 , etc. And move it to the SSD. It will hurt performance running on a HDD. If you are worried about wear on the SSD, you could write 50GB a day to it, and it would take years for it to be a factor.

I would try disconnecting the PATA drives.. see if it helps...

As far as the failing drive goes... I would replace it if possible... ASAP.
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First thing I'd think about doing is increase RAM to 8 GB, that will reduce the need to use the swap file. You should still have a page file though, and let Windows manage the size. Disabling the swap file WILL cause problems with certain applications.

 

Yeah, but if you disable the Page File, then guess what happens: you learn fairly quickly if you actually need it. So, why not disable it so that you can find out for yourself if you need it for your particular setup? That's what I did. It's harmless to do that, at least from my experience.

 

In fact, I just disabled mine again as I said I was going to in my post above. I had it at 1024 GB for about the past week ever since I moved in to my new Samsung 840 EVO because I needed it for something, but I usually have it disabled. So, I disabled it just now, rebooted, and so far everything is fine. Yeah, it was only taking up 1 GB of space, but hey. :)

 

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Radeon 6790 should be good for BF4 on LOW settings. I wouldn't attempt to run anything higher than the lowest setting on that particular card.

Get rid of the failing HDD. A failing HDD can get stuck in seek loops, repeatedly trying to read areas of the disk that are marginal. You're better off eliminate it entirely. I hope you have a good backup!

Greg

 

He is getting rid of it. That's why he's backing it up "for the last time".

 

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I would do like TwoCables suggested... make the swap file smaller. Try it increments of a GB, start with 3 GB, see how it does, go to 2 , etc. And move it to the SSD. It will hurt performance running on a HDD. If you are worried about wear on the SSD, you could write 50GB a day to it, and it would take years for it to be a factor.

 

Yeah, anything that's required to access the slow mechanical hard drive (for reading or writing) is going to result in slowing the system down at those times. So yeah, for the best performance when you have a Page File, make sure it's on the solid state drive (vs. what you'd get with it on the mechanical drive)! Likewise, don't install games to a mechanical drive either unless you have like a 60 GB solid state drive and have no room for all of your games! In which case, I would install the most frequently-played games to the solid state drive until you almost run out of room, and then put the rest on the mechanical drive. You can think of the mechanical drive in this type of a situation as an overflow drive. ;)

 

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As far as the failing drive goes... I would replace it if possible... ASAP.

 

He is getting rid of it. That's why he's backing it up "for the last time".


Edited by TwoCables - 3/13/14 at 7:30pm
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