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post #1 of 12
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Hey,
first I want to say 'Hello!', I just registered but I've been reading on this forum for quite a few years. Thanks for all the information!

But now I've got a question:
I did an upgrade of my system last week. I'ts now a 4770K sitting on a MSI Z87 G45. I think I got a below average chip: with reasonable voltages I can only get 4,1GHz stable (currently running on 1,23V, may be able to get it a bit lower). However, that's not the issue right now.
When I say 'stable' I'm saying ~1 hour prime stable (no crahses, I just stopped), perfeclty gaming stable (BF4 and LoL) and also does ~10hours video encoding (at 100% CPU load) in one go without problems.
BUT: After booting from a 'cold' machine, i've got one (and only one) reproducable freeze or bsod (mostly freezes). It takes roughly 2-3 minutes on the windwos desktop.. sometimes a bit longer, sometimes a bit faster, but the system freezes/crashes always, when I do cold startup.
After this one freeze, it runs again perfectly stable, until I shut it down and start it then the next day again. Just doing a short reset or reboot does not reproduce the problem..

Because I'm new to Haswell or, better said 'the whole recent Intel' stuff since I came from an FX8350 (on sweet 4,7 GHz, but even at 4,1GHz the 4770k encodes nearly twice as fast biggrin.gif) and FX8150 before, I'm really curios what that behavior might be.. Any suggestions?

Thanks!
Edited by sequarell - 3/14/14 at 3:10am
post #2 of 12
Hi,

Welcome to OCN

And here you go http://www.overclock.net/t/1473372/solution-for-random-crash-restarts-after-coldboot-with-an-overclocked-cpu-on-certain-motherboards

I had the same problem and that was my solution.

I tried everything else first, disabeling the power saving states, check the memory etc etc etc, nothing worked.
But disabling the "fast boot feature" did the trick instantly.

I hope it helps you,too.

Good luck!thumb.gif


And regarding your overclock, 4.1 is really low, I think you should read up a little bit on Haswell OC, there is more to it than just raising the multiplier and vcore.

I suggest you this guide: http://www.simforums.com/forums/haswell-48ghz-on-air-building-a-haswell-system_topic46180.html

And also the guide here on OCN :http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-thread-with-statistics
Edited by acanom - 3/14/14 at 3:41am
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
Fastboot ^^

Damn it.. right now I remember that I enabled it a few days ago!
I'll try this evening, thanks for the hint!

And concerning the OC:

yeah.. I think I would get it stable with 4,3 and a fixed Voltage, but I don't want fixed voltage...

When using adaptive voltage, I get temperature issues during rendering due to the AVX voltage boost.. so.. yeah, I know, delidding would be a solution wink.gif It will happen somewhen the next few weeks biggrin.gif
Edited by sequarell - 3/14/14 at 3:46am
post #4 of 12
For me it was enabled automatically from the install.

I´m talking about the windows fastboot option not the one in the bios! I don´t have any experience with that one.

P.S.: I updated my first post regarding your overclock

Hope the tip helps
post #5 of 12
Ah, I can see you're using Windows 8 because you mentioned cold startup.

Windows 8 Fast boot tends to give people problems on bootup / startup. If you have windows 8, try this:

1. Open up a elevated Command Prompt (Run CMD.exe in Administrator Mode)

2. Type in the command: "powercfg -h off" This disables hibernation and fast startup at the same time. It also disables the use of a hyberfil.sys file that is stored in the root of the system drive (Where you installed your operating system to). Only run this command if you're never going to use hibernation and fast startup. It also frees approximately 14 gigabytes of space on the system drive (This is just a guess, it may vary depending on RAM / Storage space). This does also work in Windows 7 but it'll only disable Hibernation since Fast Startup was never implemented on windows 7.
Edited by benjamen50 - 3/14/14 at 5:26am
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Just because it doesn't crash on video encoding doesn't mean it's not giving errors and corrupt data.
    
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post #7 of 12
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Thanks Guys!
I'm using Win 8.1, I'll try your sugegstions when I'm back home in the evening..

I'll see through the guides you proposed, but I've also already red a few...

Concerning "garbage data"... well.. yeah.. might be.. but until now I do not see any problems anywhere.. Also prime runs fine (I know, an hour is nothing for many people out there)and generally I tend to more rely on the everyday experince..
If I can do all my work stable and without errors, I assume my system, to be satbel. I know, some (many?) people have different opinions on this, but since I just want to be able to do exactly this (doing my everyday work) it's what I accept.
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
Disabling fastboot did solve the issue, thanks biggrin.gif
post #9 of 12
You´re welcome.

MSI really should start looking into that issue...
post #10 of 12
This disables hibernation and fast startup at the same time. It also disables the use of a hyberfil.gDKQOr
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